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ehh another social media celeb i'm guessin
Never heard of her. Is she supposed to be someone famous?
ehh another social media celeb i'm guessin
Spurs should send Sochan's ass to summer league tbh
Yea pretty much. She's a British model turned social media thot. Still would though tbh.
Was thinking about when we might see a Sochan extension, if he gets one. Here are the dates when the last players to sign rookie extensions with the Spurs did so:
Devin Vassell: Oct 3, 2023
Keldon Johnson: July 18, 2022
Derrick White: December 21, 2020
Dejounte Murray: October 21, 2019
Long story short... wouldn't expect it early on in the offseason.
Interestingly enough, from what I could tell the last Spurs direct FRP* to sign an extension was Tiago Splitter
*Nephew is the caveat here. Technically drafted by IND because of the way the NBA does draft day trades... but he was obviously an FRP who extended.
Definitely needs to take the open looks. he had games where he did and he would go on a burner. Maybe it's a good thing with a change in head coaching scheme that'll help him find that comfort on not making mistakes.
At 22 and under, he has plenty of time to find a shot though. I don't understand how people think he won't develop a shot at all or improve at all when he has every year offensively. Not at an all star level, but that's good. If he did we couldn't afford him. His defense though is such a needed commodity for a Wemby team.
His ability to switch and be a nuisance down low help Wemby so much. Not to mention he takes attention away from Wemby in scuffles. When the players are focused on him starting stuff, they have less energy for Wemby. Every star needs those enforced type mindsets that take attention away. Kid just fits a bunch of boxes and people only focus one a couple like chet holmgreen didn't just shoot horrid in the finals. It's not as big a deal as people make it out to be.
He's young and has time to improve, but I would dispute this. His offensive game in year 3 appeared to regress, other than in his shot diet.
His FG% increased, but only because of a change to his shot diet where the majority of his FGA are within 3 feet of the basket. Hi shooting from any other place on the court has been stagnant or has regressed. Even his FT%, still relying on the "one-hand" gimmick, was a career worst in year 3.
He also has significantly less self-creation ability in year 3, as evidenced by a significant jump up the % of his 2P FG's assisted by others. At this point, Jeremy is nothing more than a cutter/dunker. On one hand, it's a good thing that he's limiting shots he's not effective at, but on the other hand we need someone on the court who can be effective at those other shots. On offense, Sochan just allows the opposing team to put their C on his which results in Wemby being matched up with the opposing SF/PF, players who typically give him more trouble and preventing the opposing team's rim protector to be drawn out, so one advantage Wemby gives us gets neutralized.
My opinion doesn't mean anything, but I'm still on team "let him prove it" - no need to trade him unless the right deal comes along, but don't extend him and let him earn his next contact going into next summer as an RFA. The worst case scenario is Jeremy hits his highest potential outcomes and we have to pay what a lot of people are suggesting we pay him anyway.
This will be a pretty telling year for Sochan imo. Based on the videos we've seen of him shooting recently, if his hitch really is gone and he can start hitting 3's at a respectable clip, then he's a perfect pairing with Wemby as a switchable defender on defense and a stretch 4 offensively, and he will be a Spur for a long time.
If the videos are false hope and he doesn't show any improvement with his 3-point shot in year 4, I think there's a good chance the Spurs will start looking elsewhere for Wemby's front court running mate tbh. This is one of the major reasons I would love for the Spurs to trade for John Collins. He immediately gives us what we want Sochan to be, and if it doesn't work out for whatever reason, he's on an expiring and we can just let him walk. Low risk, high reward opportunity imo.
Per statmuse 3 pt shots taken by PFs in 24-25 1.1 per game and shots made 0.4. Think we have a little false narrative going on here.
In edit a starting PF takes 3.4 makes 1.2. Split the difference for Sochan a non-starter so on average he should be taking 2.25. Still I’d call it an overly exaggerated narrative. In 23-24 he actually averaged over 3 at 30%.
Last edited by picnroll; 06-27-2025 at 07:19 PM.
In before they pay him like a valued contributor and we are stuck with him
Damn, Jer.Yea pretty much. She's a British model turned social media thot. Still would though tbh.
Ben Simmons looks like Klay Thompson during the summer tbh.
Hopefully she's whispering in his ear about big marketsYea pretty much. She's a British model turned social media thot. Still would though tbh.
Using this table, and filtering for all players listed as PF who averaged more than 15mpg... the average is 3.80 3PA/gm, 1.363PM/gm, .358 3P%
Statmuse isn't perfect.
Edited, had a formula wrong
Last edited by scott; 06-27-2025 at 07:30 PM.
So 3 shots a game, not the volume 3 pt shooting specialist some here desire for the pf spot like Cam Johnson, TM3… i may have backed down from wanting a twin towers lineup, but i still hold the belief that it’s not necessary for our pf to be a guy who stands outside and does nothing inside on offense.
Noted in my edit and still think the Sochan issues on 3 pts is overblown. I’m expecting/ hoping he hits the 35% mark next year and my dream he gets recognized as an all NBA defender and a candidate for MIP.
That's the average of all players who played 15 mpg, including guys who played a single game. If you take that up to 20mpg, the number of 3PA/gm increases to 4.42. If you change it to guys who started more than 30 games, the number increases to 4.91 3PA/gm.
Increase it to guys who started more than 40 games, and now the number is 4.7 3PA/gm.
I don't think 3P shooting is overblown at all. The only PFs who started more than 40 games who averaged under 4 3PA/gm: Jaden McDaniels (3.7), Tobias Harris (3.62), Draymond (3.62), Evan Mobley (3.24), Aaron Gordon (3.37), AD (2.43), Giannis (0.94). Sochan is at 1.7... so unless he's AD or Giannis, that isn't going to cut it as a starter in this league.
I look at those guys you listed and one thing they have in common is that they’re on winning teams. I didnt really make the post to defend Sochan’s low 3pa, but moreso to point out that going for a volume shooting one (6+) isnt necessary. If Sochan can up his 3pa to 3-4 and make them at a good rate, great. If the Spurs go for someone who averaged 3-4 3pa and made them at a decent rate, great. I just dont think they need to pursue someone who is a true specialist, that’s all.
Agree 6 isn't necessary.
But the difference between 1.7 and 4.7 is more significant that it seems. Over 82 games that's almost 250 more 3PA. It is significant. If Sochan can do it at something like .340 or better, awesome. If not, then he needs to be a bench player.
Pfs in the finals (chet, siakam, jdub) - avg 3-4-5 three point attempts - not volume 3 pt shooters
I’ll accept the correction, personally still be ok with 3 like the 23-24 season at 33-35% and work from there. His defense hangs with this lower volume 3 point shooters.
I'm of the mindset that he's finding his shot in a group of players that demand the ball a lot. Like you said, it's better he's finding the shots that work. There's nothing negative about being efficient.He's young and has time to improve, but I would dispute this. His offensive game in year 3 appeared to regress, other than in his shot diet.
His FG% increased, but only because of a change to his shot diet where the majority of his FGA are within 3 feet of the basket. Hi shooting from any other place on the court has been stagnant or has regressed. Even his FT%, still relying on the "one-hand" gimmick, was a career worst in year 3.
He also has significantly less self-creation ability in year 3, as evidenced by a significant jump up the % of his 2P FG's assisted by others. At this point, Jeremy is nothing more than a cutter/dunker. On one hand, it's a good thing that he's limiting shots he's not effective at, but on the other hand we need someone on the court who can be effective at those other shots. On offense, Sochan just allows the opposing team to put their C on his which results in Wemby being matched up with the opposing SF/PF, players who typically give him more trouble and preventing the opposing team's rim protector to be drawn out, so one advantage Wemby gives us gets neutralized.
My opinion doesn't mean anything, but I'm still on team "let him prove it" - no need to trade him unless the right deal comes along, but don't extend him and let him earn his next contact going into next summer as an RFA. The worst case scenario is Jeremy hits his highest potential outcomes and we have to pay what a lot of people are suggesting we pay him anyway.
He played with cp3, a super ball dominant player. He played with Wemby. A super ball dominant player. If those two weren't in there, it was Castle who also sports a very high usage rate. I believe his self creation opportunities just cratered due to the high usage players and he adjusted the best he could with taking advantage of the role he was left with.
Basketball is all about finding your shot. You coach to get the easy buckets. You hope your game plan helps you get the easy buckets. Sochan became great at getting the easy buckets. That's way more of a plus than a negative, no matter the spin on the self creation. He's creating with what he's being given. Not saying that's your argument, just saying in general he adapred with a team first mentality in my eyes and did the job no one else wanted to do which was take a back seat and take the leftovers.
And he did well there. You definitely need people who can make shots in the NBA, but man the Spurs are quickly running out of shots to take. They now have a handful of guys who are all going to want their shots. Having players like Sochan are a plus to me in that department. He allows other players to thrive at his own expense on both sides of the ball.
I feel people just focus way too much on things they don't like and never about what he actually brings to the table, which is more than the majority of free agents or trade targets would bring as far as cohesiveness and fitting with Wemby. The reality is if Sochan wasn't part of the Spurs and a player who can defend 1-5 at age 22 came available, spurs would be excited to get him. Just look at what's available out there.
He needs to improve. Without a doubt. Everyone at 22 does. He's doing pretty well for what he's been asked to do. He's clearly being told it's time to shoot. Let's see how he does this season.
I’d argue that with Sochan it’s not just purely about 3p% or even 3pa’s. His shot needs to look the part and be taken without hesitation. His 3p% being at 31% or whatever it was isn’t the whole story, his shot diet is of the completely wide open not a defender within 10ft variety.
Knocking those down at an improved 35% still probably won’t get him guarded on the perimeter. He needs to get those to like 40% imo before teams will hopefully give up crowding the paint which makes Wemby and our rim pressuring guards life .
It's not only his 3 point%. He has no mid range game. He also can't create shots and can't get past players to the basket and finish. The offense bogs down when he touches the ball away from the basket.
His offensive package is very limited to short cuts to the basket and put backs and dunks open under the basket.
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