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    So with Atlanta's improvement would anyone be willing to throw in their 2027 first to get the Jazz to take Vassell's contract for Collins? Spurs have to get Vassell the off this roster.
    that would be idiotic

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    We don't need backup forwards, we need a starter. Collins or PJ Washington.

    I like Boucher for cheap over Collins or PJ for the same reason I like an inexpensive Kornet over Myles Turner... Boucher's BPM, WS/48, etc are all better than both of those guys and he thrives in the role of bench spark, and he'll probably be less than half the price of either, and possibly even a third of their cost.

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    They really don't. ST has lost perspective on their players because the team has underperformed their talent for years. Vassell seems overpaid but he's still one of the best players on the roster the Spurs would be weaker trading him away. If they want Collins, they can trade Barnes and one of their low-salary expiring for him.
    This site is filled with people who, when Vic had his 50 point game, rushed into the post-game thread to complain about Zach Collins. That's just who these people are, ers and moaners. Vassell barely matters. His contract goes for too long, but there's no insane rush to get rid of him or Keldon. It's just a bunch of freaks who get off on ing, that's it.

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    This site is filled with people who, when Vic had his 50 point game, rushed into the post-game thread to complain about Zach Collins. That's just who these people are, ers and moaners. Vassell barely matters. His contract goes for too long, but there's no insane rush to get rid of him or Keldon. It's just a bunch of freaks who get off on ing, that's it.
    Yet, here you are ing about the ing tbh

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    The anti-Vassell crew doesn’t seem to understand that his contract will actually look better and better down the line because it doesn’t go up while the cap does. Devin is still one of the 5 best players on the team. Give him the 3-and-D offball role, so he can get his value up. Then include him in a big trade if you make one later.

    this whole „let’s salary dump Vassell right now for an ATL pick“ agenda is straight lunacy.

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    For once I'm with Chinook on this one. Not sure why we're trying to get rid of Vassell when his value is this low unless it's a slam dunk trade for us tbh.

    I think there's a fair shot he has a better start to the year and has way more value down the road at the deadline or next offseason.
    Devin can be useful for certain teams, but he's not a good fit with our roster.
    Last year we did better with Champagnie even though Vassell is obviously a better player individually.

    Instead of giving Castle/Harper great size advantage by playing two actual wings, we'll push one of them to play SF to accomodate Devin.
    Remember Memphis games and Bane running through him over and over again? That's exactly what's going to happen again.

    He had 5 years to prove his worth, I'm not buying that we can develop him into a good defender after all this time.
    And there's no point if forcing him into a stricly catch and shoot role if he can't defend.

    He'd do well for teams that need secondary creators like the Hawks or the Bucks, he doesn't provide much value for us anymore.

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    Well I mean Keldon just serves no purpose on this roster with how it's currently constructed. Spare me the Locker room presence talk. Fox and Barnes are on this team and if the Spurs are worried about the locker room they can grab some end of bench vets to fil the roster out.

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    Yet, here you are ing about the ing tbh
    ain‘t that a

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    ception up in here.

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    The Pacers aren't holding a fire sale, they're ducking the tax.

    The Spurs will have to pay to get off of Vassell and/or Johnson.
    Overpaying those two chuckle s is really bitting the Spurs in the ass right now. Hope they don’t add Sochan to the list.

    I like the Nuggets offseason. They are showing moves are and were possible - it was simply the fact that Calvin Booth was incompetent. Good firing by the Nuggets. Finally putting some nice pieces around Joker.

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    I like Boucher for cheap over Collins or PJ for the same reason I like an inexpensive Kornet over Myles Turner... Boucher's BPM, WS/48, etc are all better than both of those guys and he thrives in the role of bench spark, and he'll probably be less than half the price of either, and possibly even a third of their cost.
    We don't need a bench spark, we need a 30mpg PF who won't get bullied and is a solid 3pt shooter.
    Advanced stats for role players often don't scale when they have to play more minutes.
    Kornet's are for example fine, because he was a 15mpg player for the Celtics and won't have bigger role for us.

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    Yet, here you are ing about the ing tbh
    Body still complaining about posters on ST as if he isn't one himself

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    Devin can be useful for certain teams, but he's not a good fit with our roster.
    Last year we did better with Champagnie even though Vassell is obviously a better player individually.

    Instead of giving Castle/Harper great size advantage by playing two actual wings, we'll push one of them to play SF to accomodate Devin.
    Remember Memphis games and Bane running through him over and over again? That's exactly what's going to happen again.

    He had 5 years to prove his worth, I'm not buying that we can develop him into a good defender after all this time.
    And there's no point if forcing him into a stricly catch and shoot role if he can't defend.

    He'd do well for teams that need secondary creators like the Hawks or the Bucks, he doesn't provide much value for us anymore.
    We still sorely need shooting. As sad as it is, Devin is still one of the best shooters on this team so he does have a fit.

    Maybe I'm being naive but the old man being gone, Sweeney being brought in, a full camp with Fox/Wemby/Castle/etc. might just be what Devin needs to transition into a role that's more suited for him this upcoming year.

    Again, I'm not opposed to trading him. But people here acting like he has a negative value when I think it's neutral at best. I want to give him a shot with this new look roster to boost that value before we start shopping him tbh.

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    Yet, here you are ing about the ing tbh
    Yeah, pointing out the ing is... ing, I guess. What a stupid comment.

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    Body still complaining about posters on ST as if he isn't one himself
    Hey, when Wemby scores 50 I celebrate him, I don't rush in to whine about Zack Collins.

    If you don't see the problem here, I can't help you.

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    Body still complaining about posters on ST as if he isn't one himself
    yet hes 100% spot on

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    We still sorely need shooting. As sad as it is, Devin is still one of the best shooters on this team so he does have a fit.

    Maybe I'm being naive but the old man being gone, Sweeney being brought in, a full camp with Fox/Wemby/Castle/etc. might just be what Devin needs to transition into a role that's more suited for him this upcoming year.

    Again, I'm not opposed to trading him. But people here acting like he has a negative value when I think it's neutral at best. I want to give him a shot with this new look roster to boost that value before we start shopping him tbh.
    hand wringing about shooting has gone from, yeah it prob should be, to ok lets calm down.

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    In case anyone was interested, I believe the most PJ Washington could sign for in an extension is 4/90. So if he was available and agreeable to an extension then the Spurs would get cost certainty at what, 22.5 on average?

    Collins would be eligible for a whole lot more than he could ever reasonably sign for. But if Collins expired after this year with Utah let's say, would the Spurs even have the cap space to sign him to an above mle deal?

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    We still sorely need shooting. As sad as it is, Devin is still one of the best shooters on this team so he does have a fit.

    Maybe I'm being naive but the old man being gone, Sweeney being brought in, a full camp with Fox/Wemby/Castle/etc. might just be what Devin needs to transition into a role that's more suited for him this upcoming year.

    Again, I'm not opposed to trading him. But people here acting like he has a negative value when I think it's neutral at best. I want to give him a shot with this new look roster to boost that value before we start shopping him tbh.
    It's a tough decision either way.
    I can understand giving him another year, but they have to be aware that if he fails again, we'll be stuck with a player noone will want.
    We can't forget about his injuries, he missed 76 games over the past 3 seasons.

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    Hey, when Wemby scores 50 I celebrate him, I don't rush in to whine about Zack Collins.

    If you don't see the problem here, I can't help you.
    As I've said many times this board is made up of 100s of posters and everyone has different opinions. Some people about everything, some people are blind homers, some are in-between. You like to lump all of ST into one category and constantly complain about the people who post here. If you dislike ST opinions so much why are you even here?

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    45/3 for Schroeder.

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    Well I mean Keldon just serves no purpose on this roster with how it's currently constructed. Spare me the Locker room presence talk. Fox and Barnes are on this team and if the Spurs are worried about the locker room they can grab some end of bench vets to fil the roster out.
    Team chemistry is definitely not an afterthought, especially on a club that's trying to become a winning squad. It's possible to bring in guys with good personalities, but whether a person becomes an off-court leader or whether guys bond isn't a matter of arithmetic. Johnson remained the cultural leader despite Paul and Barnes was on the squad. That should be a sign that his role isn't quite as modular as you're implying. That doesn't make him untouchable, but the team has other means to accomplish their goals

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    Hey, when Wemby scores 50 I celebrate him, I don't rush in to whine about Zack Collins.

    If you don't see the problem here, I can't help you.
    https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=304500

    Is this the thread you're talking about? where are all these posters "rushing" in to whine about Collins? Looks like one person (Dejounte) and you got all emo about it

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