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    the thing is his metrics are that good because he stopped shooting 3s. He can shoot them, but I wouldn't incorporate that in the offense. He's much better playing close to the rim.

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    the thing is his metrics are that good because he stopped shooting 3s. He can shoot them, but I wouldn't incorporate that in the offense. He's much better playing close to the rim.
    Especially to clean up all of Keldon's bricks.

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    I already love this goofball.

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    He's never played more than 18.6 mpg in his career. He's never pulled down more than 5.3 boards per game, at 7'2", and he doesn't space the floor. No team ever paid him more than $2.4M for a season, but the Spurs just committed $10M for at least three seasons. And he's already got a cool name - The Green Kornet. Except for the fact that green is the C's color. Behold, your new starting center!

    This season should have been a building block. Instead, they've hitched their wagon to a turd. But, hey, the fourth year is a team option... right? I mean, it's only 3 years of Wemby's young career. What's the big deal?

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    Strange gimmick, tbh.

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    In other words, (s)he has a great personality.

    He's never played more than 18.6 mpg in his career. He's never pulled down more than 5.3 boards per game, at 7'2", and he doesn't space the floor. No team ever paid him more than $2.4M for a season, but the Spurs just committed $10M for at least three seasons. And he's already got a cool name - The Green Kornet. Except for the fact that green is the C's color. Behold, your new starting center!

    This season should have been a building block. Instead, they've hitched their wagon to a turd. But, hey, the fourth year is a team option... right? I mean, it's only 3 years of Wemby's young career. What's the big deal?
    Come on man, this guy is the second coming of Kresimir Kosic!

    And for only $10 mil a year for three years.

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    This is what sold the Spurs on Kornet.


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    I Hope FO dont sleep on laurels, because thats the impression ive hot After the 14 pick (Fleming and Raynoud were easily gettable) and Just After the lk signing...we still lack some plausible big men...

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    This is what sold the Spurs on Kornet.

    Quick tip -- completely illegal I fear.

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    He's never played more than 18.6 mpg in his career. He's never pulled down more than 5.3 boards per game, at 7'2", and he doesn't space the floor. No team ever paid him more than $2.4M for a season, but the Spurs just committed $10M for at least three seasons. And he's already got a cool name - The Green Kornet. Except for the fact that green is the C's color. Behold, your new starting center!

    This season should have been a building block. Instead, they've hitched their wagon to a turd. But, hey, the fourth year is a team option... right? I mean, it's only 3 years of Wemby's young career. What's the big deal?
    I don't think you should be looking at him and that contract in a vacuum that doesn't extend past our current roster.

    If he works well with our team great but he's a rotation player in this league regardless. That contract, and him as a player, will pair well in any potential trade if that day comes down the road.

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    For anyone complaining about the contract… the alternative was probably to simply not sign him.

    San Antonio is a destination and a franchise that has to overpay to land free agents. For all the talk of Wemby being a FA magnet… we’re still a lottery team in a small market in third world Texas. What other teams can sign players for is not the same as what the Spurs can sign players for.

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    I mean its not just San Antonio, virtually EVERYONE has to overpay to sign free agents! You typically get discounts on resigning your own players but not from the outside. But even with that, 10 million per year isn't an overpay!!! You can say the years are, but with a final team option I don't even really subscribe to that. This is at fair market value for a center that is better than Capella, Lopez, or Ayton for what the Spurs need out of them. People just have an increasing inability to understand contracts in the NBA context (which is why people are always acting like Devin and Keldon's contracts somehow hurt the Spurs).

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    For anyone complaining about the contract… the alternative was probably to simply not sign him.

    San Antonio is a destination and a franchise that has to overpay to land free agents. For all the talk of Wemby being a FA magnet… we’re still a lottery team in a small market in third world Texas. What other teams can sign players for is not the same as what the Spurs can sign players for.
    Which is all the more reason to use your 2d round pick on Maxime Raynaud (caveat, you're really, really sure he can't play, otherwise . . .)

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    I mean its not just San Antonio, virtually EVERYONE has to overpay to sign free agents! You typically get discounts on resigning your own players but not from the outside. But even with that, 10 million per year isn't an overpay!!! You can say the years are, but with a final team option I don't even really subscribe to that. This is at fair market value for a center that is better than Capella, Lopez, or Ayton for what the Spurs need out of them. People just have an increasing inability to understand contracts in the NBA context (which is why people are always acting like Devin and Keldon's contracts somehow hurt the Spurs).
    Keldon's doesn't hurt the Spurs since his deal expires before Wemby's likely 30% supermax takes effect but Devin's definitely does if Castle hits or exceeds his expected outcome, which would necessitate paying him probably 20% to 25% of the cap while still having Vassell taking up around 14% of the cap. You gotta be super careful with money when you're paying three max contracts and it could force them to have to make a decision on dumping one of Castle/Fox/Harper a year early.

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    Keldon's doesn't hurt the Spurs since his deal expires before Wemby's likely 30% supermax takes effect but Devin's definitely does if Castle hits or exceeds his expected outcome, which would necessitate paying him probably 20% to 25% of the cap while still having Vassell taking up around 14% of the cap. You gotta be super careful with money when you're paying three max contracts and it could force them to have to make a decision on dumping one of Castle/Fox/Harper a year early.
    I'm not even convinced the Spurs would need anything more than a 2nd round pick attached to move Devin in that scenario so of course his contract doens't hurt them. if you have to come up with hypothetical situations like this to show how the Spurs are harmed by a contract then its a safe bet they are not actually harmed by said contract.

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    Which is all the more reason to use your 2d round pick on Maxime Raynaud (caveat, you're really, really sure he can't play, otherwise . . .)
    Since he graduated from Stanford University (or was close to it) maybe that’s why he really wanted to play in California if that was possible.

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    Wonder if the Spurs are going to frontload Kornet's deal as much as possible. It would make all the sense in the world to do so since they're way under the luxury tax this year and likely next. Though they might prefer a standard contract with 5% raises if they're trying to use the rest of MLE on another player. I wonder if they have signed the contract yet. Probably makes sense to hold off for a little bit to see if they can make another deal like how they got HB and a pretty valuable swap free last summer.

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    I'm not even convinced the Spurs would need anything more than a 2nd round pick attached to move Devin in that scenario so of course his contract doens't hurt them. if you have to come up with hypothetical situations like this to show how the Spurs are harmed by a contract then its a safe bet they are not actually harmed by said contract.
    You think anyone is going to be dying to throw a bunch of capspace at landing Vassell to bail the Spurs out if he has another disappointing season like last? Or do you not expect Castle's market value to be 20% of the cap or higher when he's up for his extension? You're going to be paying Victor a 30% supermax unless something goes drastically wrong. You're pretty likely going to be paying Fox a 30% max and with the Do Recession killing off the yearly 10% cap gains it isn't a declining contract any more.

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    Wonder if the Spurs are going to frontload Kornet's deal as much as possible. It would make all the sense in the world to do so since they're way under the luxury tax this year and likely next. Though they might prefer a standard contract with 5% raises if they're trying to use the rest of MLE on another player. I wonder if they have signed the contract yet. Probably makes sense to hold off for a little bit to see if they can make another deal like how they got HB and a pretty valuable swap free last summer.
    they absolutely should. at this point the BAE exceeds whats left of the MLE even if they used the traditonal increasing structure with Kornet. and im not even sure there are any FAs left that justify getting into that territory anwyay. a decreasing structue would make the 4th year team option that much more juicy as well

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    Cap wise it would be better if Castle doesn't earn a max while still being a great player for us.
    Hopefully we can sign for to a 3+1 deal because those 3 years would allign with Harper's extension.
    Fox will be turning 32 at the start of that season and I'd expect Harper to be a better player by then.
    Then we can either trade him for a couple of role players or he takes a paycut to be the 6th man.

    We're kind of set as long as Wemby stays healthy and Harper is actually as good as advertised.
    Castle as the third option that does everything and a bunch of 3-D wings, we don't need anything more than that.

    CBA being difficult to navigate will only work in our favor because Wemby will be the best player in the league and very hard to beat without superteams.
    We just need our scouting department to get their together and go back to finding great role players with late picks.

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    You think anyone is going to be dying to throw a bunch of capspace at landing Vassell to bail the Spurs out if he has another disappointing season like last? Or do you not expect Castle's market value to be 20% of the cap or higher when he's up for his extension? You're going to be paying Victor a 30% supermax unless something goes drastically wrong. You're pretty likely going to be paying Fox a 30% max and with the Do Recession killing off the yearly 10% cap gains it isn't a declining contract any more.
    Getting off a 27 million expiring 3 years from now is not something I am even remotely worried about. I can't stress how much of a non problem this is.

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