Spurs trade ideas

[DAF86]

I'm pretty sure Utah would accept anything for Collins at this point. There doesn't seem to be a market.

I would love to do it for Keldon, but I doubt the Jazz take on that contract.

[DAF86]

Collins shot 40/40/36.4/29.2/37.1/40 from 3. The 29.2 was when he played through the season with an injured shooting hand. He's been a 3-point shooter ever since he came into the league.

You somehow seem to think this is the "Free Sam Hauser Giveaway". Like the only offer the Celtics would get for that contract is Malaki Branham and second round picks.

What? Are we talking about the same Collins?

John Collins is a 36 % career 3pt shooter. He shot 0.6 threes per game when he came into the league, GTFOH with "he's been a shooter ever since he came to the league".

Heck, even now, 3.7 attempts per game is on the lower side of things. He's a guy that has added the 3pt shot with time, he's not a natural 3 pt shooter.

[spurraider21]

I would love to do it for Keldon, but I doubt the Jazz take on that contract.

true. jazz would rather just ride out collins' expiring deal and buy him out if they cant deal him at the deadline.

its why i think its worth tossing some second rounders their way in exchange for them taking on keldon. something like keldon + branham/wesley works, saves jazz some cash for the year, and then they get some picks for holding onto keldon who they can later try to trade as an expiring deal

[spurraider21]

What? Are we talking about the same Collins?

John Collins is a 36 % career 3pt shooter. He shot 0.6 threes per game when he came into the league, GTFOH with "he's been a shooter ever since he came to the league".

Heck, even now, 3.7 attempts per game is on the lower side of things. He's a guy that has added the 3pt shot with time, he's not a natural 3 pt shooter.

i mean he cited his numbers for the last 6 seasons... thats a better indicator anyway than whatever he did in years 1-2. collins attempted 1 three pointer in his 2 year college career and barely attempted 3's as a rookie, but has since become a good NBA shooter on reasonable volume (~3.5 attempts per game). laser focusing on his shooting is kinda misguided, as shooting isn't really his best attribute. its just something he's done good enough to prevent him from being ignored at the 3pt line the way sochan is

[DAF86]

true. jazz would rather just ride out collins' expiring deal and buy him out if they cant deal him at the deadline.

its why i think its worth tossing some second rounders their way in exchange for them taking on keldon. something like keldon + branham/wesley works, saves jazz some cash for the year, and then they get some picks for holding onto keldon who they can later try to trade as an expiring deal

That would make for such a more cohesive rotation.

Fox-----------------Harper
Castle------------Champagnie
Vassell----------Sochan
Collins-----------Barnes
Wemby----------Kornet

[spurraider21]

That would make for such a more cohesive rotation.

Fox-----------------Harper
Castle------------Champagnie
Vassell----------Sochan
Collins-----------Barnes
Wemby----------Kornet

mhm. ive been banging the collins drum for a while now with a similar rotation in mind (i would basically swap sochan/barnes but thats not important really)

even if collins doesnt pan out well, or if we have no intention of re-signing him, theres still the benefit of him expiring in a year as oppposed to being locked into another year of keldon. so even in the bad case scenario where we gave some seconds for him, we get cap relief a year early

sadly there doesnt seem to be any collins/spurs traction at all. there was one tweet from weinbach about a week ago about spurs being among the teams to monitor, but have seen absolutely nothing other than that, and weinbach is not exactly one of the heavy hitters. could just be the jazz made it explicitly clear upon exploratory talks that they have 0 interest in taking on keldon for seconds, which is fair.

[mystargtr34]

I’d def do a Collins deal for Keldon + Branham + Jazz ‘26 SRP returned which is basically a late FRP. Add another SRP if you have to for eating the extra year on the Keldon contract.

Keldon would be a nice tank commander for them he could backup Mark and Bailey and average 15 a game and give up 20.

I like the 10 man rotation above, to me Sochan is more of a 3 in the mould of Jaden Mcdaniels and Barnes is a 4 at this stage of his career. If Sochan shows progress as a shooter move him into the SL for Vassell and you have a top 10 defense and rebounding team with Kornet backing up Wemby.

[CGD]

I’d def do a Keldon + Branham + Jazz 26 SRP returned which is basically a late FRP. Add another SRP if you have to for eating the extra year on the Keldon contract.

Keldon would be a nice tank commander for them he could backup Mark and Bailey and average 15 a game and give up 20 a game.

Why are you giving up ANY value for a Collins? He’s valued as salary ballast around the league. Utah can’t move him, and I’m sure teams are expecting he’ll either be bought out or used as salary filler.

[mystargtr34]

Why are you giving up ANY value for a Collins? He’s valued as salary ballast around the league. Utah can’t move him, and I’m sure teams are expecting he’ll either be bought out or used as salary filler.

Extra 1 year and $17M on the Keldon contract.

Of course you try do it without the picks first but Utah isn’t just going to accept an extra $17M hit for nothing when they can just let Collins walk a year from now.

[scott]

World Cup is next summer. Holt Jr is amassing SRPs to fund the most epic summer imaginable.

[CGD]

Extra 1 year and $17M on the Keldon contract.

Of course you try do it without the picks first but Utah isn’t just going to accept an extra $17M hit for nothing when they can just let Collins walk a year from now.

If you think John Collins is the answer get him when Utah buys him out in February. If you think this is some cost saving move, cool, but what’s the goal in 2026?

Keldon’s peak value will be by this trade deadline. If he performs well, some playoff team will pay value for him as a deep/situational piece for a deep run. We see this every year. If he underperforms, then he’s functioning an expiring contract at that point with a descending deal. That also has value in this cost cutting environment.

I get that people are eager to move on from Keldon, but just be patient.

[DAF86]

i mean he cited his numbers for the last 6 seasons... thats a better indicator anyway than whatever he did in years 1-2. collins attempted 1 three pointer in his 2 year college career and barely attempted 3's as a rookie, but has since become a good NBA shooter on reasonable volume (~3.5 attempts per game). laser focusing on his shooting is kinda misguided, as shooting isn't really his best attribute. its just something he's done good enough to prevent him from being ignored at the 3pt line the way sochan is

He literally said "he's been a 3pt shooter since he got to the league".

[spurraider21]

He literally said "he's been a shooter since he got to the league".

True but i think it’s a distinction without a difference for the point he’s trying to make that he’s an established good shooter

[DAF86]

True but i think it’s a distinction without a difference for the point he’s trying to make that he’s an established good shooter

Not in the context we were talking. I was proposing a Hauser trade. He then said we don't need Hauser, we need Collins. To which I replied that I would love to have both, but trading Collins for Barnes does nothing to improve the 3pt shooting situation.

That's also where I compared Collins to Hauser, pointing out that they aren't in the same tier as shooters. Hauser is an outright sniper that can shoot all kinds of 3s. Collins is an improved shooter but that can only shoot spot ups and has a relative low volume for today's standards. It wouldn't shock me to see him shoot 35% from 3 next season, tbh. He isn't a natural shooter that can guarantee you a high floor in 3pt %.

[spurraider21]

Not in the context we were talking. I was proposing a Hauser trade. He then said we don't need Hauser, we need Collins. To which I replied that I would love to have both, but trading Collins for Barnes does nothing to improve the 3pt shooting situation.

That's also where I compared Collins to Hauser, pointing out that they aren't in the same tier as shooters. Hauser is an outright sniper that can shoot all kinds of 3s. Collins is an improved shooter but that can only shoot spot ups and has a relative low volume for today's standards. It wouldn't shock me to see him shoot 35% from 3 next season, tbh. He isn't a natural shooter that can guarantee you a high floor in 3pt %.

Yeah Hauser is just a different tier of shooter than Collins. Collins is a good shooter for a 4 but Hauser is a legit specialist

[spurraider21]

If you think John Collins is the answer get him when Utah buys him out in February. If you think this is some cost saving move, cool, but what’s the goal in 2026?

Keldon’s peak value will be by this trade deadline. If he performs well, some playoff team will pay value for him as a deep/situational piece for a deep run. We see this every year. If he underperforms, then he’s functioning an expiring contract at that point with a descending deal. That also has value in this cost cutting environment.

I get that people are eager to move on from Keldon, but just be patient.

a) there’s no guarantee he isn’t traded elsewhere (though looking less likely by the day)
b) there’s no guarantee he’s gets bought out
c) there’s no guarantee he signs here if bought out
d) even if he isn’t traded, gets bought out, and signs here, you are integrating a new rotation player on the fly in the second half of the season
e) you miss out on having him for half the season when he can help the team

[RC_Drunkford]

What? Are we talking about the same Collins?

John Collins is a 36 % career 3pt shooter. He shot 0.6 threes per game when he came into the league, GTFOH with "he's been a shooter ever since he came to the league".

Heck, even now, 3.7 attempts per game is on the lower side of things. He's a guy that has added the 3pt shot with time, he's not a natural 3 pt shooter.

Says the guy who keeps glazing Vucevic since we signed LaMarcus Aldridge. Yeah right, point out his rookie season and ignore all the other ones you dumb . He's been shooting 3s on decent volume since his second year in the league, but you already know that.

@ added a 3-point shot with time. Even in his first year he shot 35% just on low attempts.

[venitian navigator]

I don't know much about the second apron Kex. Phoenix possible trade partnership) and sign and trade rules. For example is possible for a team like phoenix aggregate one player with (not a player but) a draft pick? And if the answer is yes, is possible also if said pick is the one of a player already picked but still not signed (ex x phoenix Maluach or Fleming)? Regarding the sign and trade rules, it's possible to sign and trade players with just one year contract now expired (ex for us CP3)?

[CGD]

a) there’s no guarantee he isn’t traded elsewhere (though looking less likely by the day)
b) there’s no guarantee he’s gets bought out
c) there’s no guarantee he signs here if bought out
d) even if he isn’t traded, gets bought out, and signs here, you are integrating a new rotation player on the fly in the second half of the season
e) you miss out on having him for half the season when he can help the team

Keldon is objectively better than Collins at this point of their careers.

If you told me there was a plan for the $17M savings in 2026 aside from just having “flexibility” then cool. Go for it. Otherwise it’s really dumb asset management.

[Joseph Kony]

Keldon is objectively better than Collins at this point of their careers.

If you told me there was a plan for the $17M savings in 2026 aside from just having “flexibility” then cool. Go for it. Otherwise it’s really dumb asset management.

do you know what the word "objective" means?

Collins in 2025 (30mpg):

19ppg on 53%/39%/84% .628 TS%
8.2rpg
2.0apg
1.0spg
1.0bpg
19.0 PER
0.9 VORP
1.0 BPM



Keldon in 2025 (24mpg):

12.7ppg on 48%/32%/77% .572 TS%
4.8rpg
1.6apg
0.6spg
0.3bpg
15.9 PER
0.2 VORP
-1.6 BPM


The numbers suggest that Collins is objectively better than Keldon by a significant margin. Neither of these guys are world beaters but it's easy to see who the better player is (and always has been)

[DAF86]

Says the guy who keeps glazing Vucevic since we signed LaMarcus Aldridge.

You know you lost the argument when you have to resort to making stuff up, tbh.

Yeah right, point out his rookie season and ignore all the other ones you dumb . He's been shooting 3s on decent volume since his second year in the league, but you already know that.

@ added a 3-point shot with time. Even in his first year he shot 35% just on low attempts.

I pointed out his rookie season because you literally said "he's been a 3pt shooter since he got to the league".

You know what's another indication that you lost the argument? Starting with the personal insults, tbh.

[DAF86]

Keldon is objectively better than Collins at this point of their careers.

I'm convinced the Keldon apologists live in an alternate reality. One where Keldon actually does productive stuff, instead of being a complete cancer at both sides of the ball, tbh.

My brothers, yall need to realize that Keldon isn't the player you think he is. He's actually pretty bad, and a detriment for the overall production of the team.

[LeBowen]

I'm convinced the Keldon apologists live in an alternate reality. One where Keldon actually does productive stuff, instead of being a complete cancer at both sides of the ball, tbh.

Keldon's only positive attribute in this past season was his relentless attacking on mismatches when he got matched up with slow PFs.
But even then, those drives are too random to be relied on.

With the additions of Fox, Harper and Castle getting a bigger role, we don't want Keldon to have the ball.

[spurraider21]

Keldon is objectively better than Collins at this point of their careers.

If you told me there was a plan for the $17M savings in 2026 aside from just having “flexibility” then cool. Go for it. Otherwise it’s really dumb asset management.

objectively better… no

describing keldon as somebody who will have appeal at the deadline as a “functioning expiring contract” even though he is objectively not expiring and owed 17.5 mil fully guaranteed in 26-27 (same as his salary this season, not declining, for what it’s worth)

the plan would be to not be saddled with and committed to an overpaid player who is already on his way out of the rotation. Even as an expiring a year from now, unless Keldon has some incredible year in his projected decreased role, he’s going to cost some capital to offload

If you just want to say a keldon for Collins dead is bad because you think keldon is better, just say that. But not objective, and keldon is not a functioning expiring contract

[TekXX]

Is it fair to say that no one in the league wants members of our tank squad?