Spurs trade ideas

[Chinook]

I like Anderson, but he wouldn't play. The Spurs don't need a PF unless they're trading Barnes or Sochan.

[DPG21920]

The inability to admit wrong and softness (like micro managing a 19 year old, projected non rotation player in summer league when other teams aren't with more proven/seasoned players) are the two issues I have with this organization.

Aided by historical draft luck, they've mostly nailed things in recent years, but these attributes or characteristics have to go yesterday.

They need to stop pretending they're the post prime Duncan/big three era Spurs and start seeing themselves as what they've been for a while, which is one of the dregs. The difference is, the others don't have the luxury of acting like them.

I think the FO has done a PHENOMENAL job. Im just nitpicking the fringes here because I want them to be sharks and turn over every single little stone for opportunities. But as a whole? They have been really damn good and Im very happy with what they have done last 5 years and now.

Even if I am nitpicking (like here) I think keeping big picture in mind is warranted and they have earned trust (especially Brian)

[DPG21920]

Bassey has been moved on from, and Ingram doesn’t have a roster spot.

They had, and still have a roster spot that they could have used for #38. There no need to move anyone to make that pick.

Here’s the deal. If you come in as a FRP, and play ball, getting the culture and doing the work, you get your 4 years. I’ve only seen SA not pick it up 3 times, James Anderson with a fifth metatarsal fracture that at the time was a career death sentence, Sammich who was lazy ass, and Primo the flasher.

The Spurs ask a lot of their rookies, all of their players really, and that’s the payoff, the reward. Contracts like Malaki’s and Blake’s aren’t expensive, but they would cost assets to get off cleanly creating a roster spot, and it just isn’t worth it. Those second round picks you’re interested in would be the cost to get off those contracts you want gone.

You can rail about and about it, but that’s the way it’s going to be done, so it’s really pointless. I knew Lonnie was a dud after year 2, and I’d have to watch him for two more years. I didn’t , because he was pretty much moved out of the way, and his contract wasn’t much money as a 17 pick. Que sera.

They keep making trades for cash - I want dead weight off and away from the team. You don’t perform and dont have a spot? You should be gone. We aren’t in pure develop and be ok if we suck mode any more.

It’s getting more cut throat.

[DPG21920]

I like Anderson, but he wouldn't play. The Spurs don't need a PF unless they're trading Barnes or Sochan.

Agree. Any move that’s not end of bench upside guy/2way needs to come via trade or be a legit 3.

[spurraider21]

The only people that love John Collins is SpursTalk. It seems no one else in the world is excited about him. Clippers seem to be piling bodies together, including Bradley Beale soon, in hopes their aging heap of a roster works out somehow.

I'd be surprised if the Spurs don't do anything else, but that may be the case.

im having austin reaves flashbacks

[Seventyniner]

Bassey has been moved on from, and Ingram doesn’t have a roster spot.

They had, and still have a roster spot that they could have used for #38. There no need to move anyone to make that pick.

Here’s the deal. If you come in as a FRP, and play ball, getting the culture and doing the work, you get your 4 years. I’ve only seen SA not pick it up 3 times, James Anderson with a fifth metatarsal fracture that at the time was a career death sentence, Sammich who was lazy ass, and Primo the flasher.

The Spurs ask a lot of their rookies, all of their players really, and that’s the payoff, the reward. Contracts like Malaki’s and Blake’s aren’t expensive, but they would cost assets to get off cleanly creating a roster spot, and it just isn’t worth it. Those second round picks you’re interested in would be the cost to get off those contracts you want gone.

You can rail about and about it, but that’s the way it’s going to be done, so it’s really pointless. I knew Lonnie was a dud after year 2, and I’d have to watch him for two more years. I didn’t , because he was pretty much moved out of the way, and his contract wasn’t much money as a 17 pick. Que sera.

The Spurs have also been smart enough to remove non-performing rookie deal players from the rotation. Wesley only got spot minutes and Branham was at the very end of the rotation, and both of those were deserved.

[exstatic]

They keep making trades for cash - I want dead weight off and away from the team. You don’t perform and dont have a spot? You should be gone. We aren’t in pure develop and be ok if we suck mode any more.

It’s getting more cut throat.

They traded 38 for cash, and a 2030 SRP. It isn’t gone, it was just kicked down the road. If you want to see picks actually gone, that’s what it will take to cleanly break from Malaki and/or Blake. No one takes them into cap room for free to create a roster spot for us.

I don’t understand this obsession with getting rid of Malaki and Blake. They are bottom of roster players who will roll off next summer for free. You won’t have to pay to create a roster spot, it will just happen organically.

Also, do you really think any SRP will get development time? That will be reserved for Steph, Dylan, and Carter, the high dollar value investment players.

[pad300]

I like Anderson, but he wouldn't play. The Spurs don't need a PF unless they're trading Barnes or Sochan.

Two bodies isn't enough to cover a position (IMO of course) for an 82 game season + playoffs (theoretically at least).

[Ice009]

ill defend this one. they traded SGA and 5 picks for Paul George and Kawhi. my understanding is kawhi made it known they would be a package deal, and that he would only sign with the clippers if they made that simultaneous trade. people knew SGA was good, nobody knew this good. but dealing for 2 all-nba guys at the same time in their primes, both coming off very strong years is not necessarily bad business. they a couple of solid runs early but then fell apart with injuries


i think theyre roughly equivalent as players and i dont hate this move for the clippers at all. they had a big hole at the 4, and are currently one of the frontrunners to land beal for cheap at the 2. i like this move for them

I don't think people realize how good of a year Paul George had that season. He was 3rd in MVP voting, 3rd in defensive player of the year voting, 1st team All-NBA (Kawhi didn't even make first team), 1st team All-Defense. He had a monster year. It was the best season of his career. I still think 5 FRPs was a bit much (they should have capped it at 4). However, if you add Kawhi as a package deal (like you were saying) who just won the Championship and finals MVP, I guess if you combine the two, five first round picks wasn't that bad.

Looking back on it now, though, it was a bad trade IMO as SGA looks like he's a better player than both, or at the very least, superior player to Paul George. Would you guys say now that SGA won MVP, finals MVP and lead his team to the Championship, would you say he's a better player than prime Kawhi, or not yet?

As for the Clippers, Utah, Miami trade, why did Miami end up with Norman Powell? Were the Jazz just trying to shed salary?

[Chinook]

Two bodies isn't enough to cover a position (IMO of course) for an 82 game season + playoffs (theoretically at least).

They have more than two bodies already. It's far more covered than center is.

[DPG21920]

They traded 38 for cash, and a 2030 SRP. It isn’t gone, it was just kicked down the road. If you want to see picks actually gone, that’s what it will take to cleanly break from Malaki and/or Blake. No one takes them into cap room for free to create a roster spot for us.

I don’t understand this obsession with getting rid of Malaki and Blake. They are bottom of roster players who will roll off next summer for free. You won’t have to pay to create a roster spot, it will just happen organically.

Also, do you really think any SRP will get development time? That will be reserved for Steph, Dylan, and Carter, the high dollar value investment players.

Yes - I think those guys can play in G-League and all of that. The point about trading for cash was not to knock Spurs but a counter to your point about moving on from guys. They are getting the money to do that if they so desired.

It’s not an obsession but they are dead weight. They aren’t doing anything and even if odds are low that another 14th man can do something you need to keep hunting for value and nba rotation players always.

I was fine with it before, but now the team is moving forward and if you have not shown your stuff? It’s time to move on IMO

[Bruno]

To me that’s the lazy route. Once spurs know someone doesnt have a future (Branham, Bassey, Ingram, etc..) they should be quicker to move on and try taking some swings on guys.

Theres no reason, especially with guys who dont play IMO, to worry about continuity. The goal is to find rotation players you can actually use with some upside or ability to get on the court and outperform deal

I also rather see Spurs being active with the end of the roster (regular roster and the 3 two way spots) and try new prospects instead of being that passive.

I just get why Spurs are acting like they are. An end of the bench prospect will require, at some point, playing time to evaluate and develop him. Building a team around an atypical player like Wembanyama is a challenge big enough that Spurs don't want to complicate it by adding the evaluation and development of marginal prospects.

[poopbox]

I think the FO has done a PHENOMENAL job. Im just nitpicking the fringes here because I want them to be sharks and turn over every single little stone for opportunities. But as a whole? They have been really damn good and Im very happy with what they have done last 5 years and now.

Even if I am nitpicking (like here) I think keeping big picture in mind is warranted and they have earned trust (especially Brian)

You think a front office who hasn't produces a winning season in 6 years is phenomenal at their job

You are very happy with what they have done in 5 years, where they have set all types of dubious records like most losses in a row and i believe either first, second, or third most home losses in a season

A GM who has never produced a winning season has "earned your trust"

[TimDunkem]

Phenomenal is definitely hyperbole.

[pad300]

They have more than two bodies already. It's far more covered than center is.

Who else on our roster besides Sochan and Harrison are physically suited to play PF in the NBA (ie not undersized or weak, and yet having enough footspeed to keep up.)?

[pad300]

They have more than two bodies already. It's far more covered than center is.

Who else on our roster besides Sochan and Harrison are physically suited to play PF in the NBA (ie not undersized or weak, and yet having enough footspeed to keep up.)?

[spurraider21]

Who else on our roster besides Sochan and Harrison are physically suited to play PF in the NBA (ie not undersized or weak, and yet having enough footspeed to keep up.)?

its also pretty generous to say barnes is physically suited to play PF

[pad300]

its also pretty generous to say barnes is physically suited to play PF

True. But I think that Dejounte is right, and the Spurs have made a decision to go with a smaller perimeter PF beside Wemby. By traditional standards, Sochan is small-ish, and so is Anderson (although he does have that wingspan...)

[scott]

Yes - I think those guys can play in G-League and all of that. The point about trading for cash was not to knock Spurs but a counter to your point about moving on from guys. They are getting the money to do that if they so desired.

It’s not an obsession but they are dead weight. They aren’t doing anything and even if odds are low that another 14th man can do something you need to keep hunting for value and nba rotation players always.

I was fine with it before, but now the team is moving forward and if you have not shown your stuff? It’s time to move on IMO

TBH, I'm a little more concerned that we don't even have a 14th man right now. Branham is currently the 13th man... and that's too high of a place for him to be on any roster outside of China

[scott]

True. But I think that Dejounte is right, and the Spurs have made a decision to go with a smaller perimeter PF beside Wemby. By traditional standards, Sochan is small-ish, and so is Anderson (although he does have that wingspan...)

I must have missed the news... are we bringing back Kyle, Cadillac, Willie or James?

[Chinook]

Who else on our roster besides Sochan and Harrison are physically suited to play PF in the NBA (ie not undersized or weak, and yet having enough footspeed to keep up.)?

Bryant and Johnson will play there, as will Minix and Ingram. Wemby is very likely to play there too. It's the most covered position on the entire roster. You not thinking the players are good enough (and you'd have a point there) is not the same thing as the Spurs not having guys they'd play there. The latter is what's needed to motivate a trade.

[Chinook]

I must have missed the news... are we bringing back Kyle, Cadillac, Willie or James?

Talking about trading for Kyle now that he's a Jazz. It's not a bad idea, but the Spurs wouldn't play him over Barnes and Sochan. Probably not over Keldon either.

[pad300]

Bryant and Johnson will play there, as will Minix and Ingram. Wemby is very likely to play there too. It's the most covered position on the entire roster. You not thinking the players are good enough (and you'd have a point there) is not the same thing as the Spurs not having guys they'd play there. The latter is what's needed to motivate a trade.

We've spent the last 2 years establishing that Wemby's best at 5.
Minix and Ingram are career G-league bait (and are undersized for the position).
Johnson is mucho undersized.
Bryant is a rook (and slightly undersized).

[spurraider21]

Bryant and Johnson will play there, as will Minix and Ingram. Wemby is very likely to play there too. It's the most covered position on the entire roster. You not thinking the players are good enough (and you'd have a point there) is not the same thing as the Spurs not having guys they'd play there. The latter is what's needed to motivate a trade.

saying "keldon will play power forward" is no less reassuring than telling you sochan will play center

theres no indication that either ingram/minix are ready for NBA minutes at all. and neither is currently under contract, NBA or two-way

just naming guys isnt really addressing the need

[scott]

Talking about trading for Kyle now that he's a Jazz. It's not a bad idea, but the Spurs wouldn't play him over Barnes and Sochan. Probably not over Keldon either.

I know, I was just making a (bad) joke.

Kyle would certainly be a luxury as a deep bench guy, probably does not align with his career goals and ambitions though, and while I'd play him over Keldon (as a deep bench PF, that is) you're probably correct that the Spurs may not.

There are some interesting, yet conflicting, thoughts around the last two roster positions - and I don't think any of them are wrong.

On one hand, we have the idea that the Spurs may not want young guys at the end of the bench because they don't have the developmental resources to properly devote to them. Understandable, quite logical... makes sense.

On the other hand, we may not want experienced vets (like Kyle Anderson) at the end of the bench because they might not get any playing time behind the guys we do have (like Keldon, in this instance), so you're doing a disservice to them. Understandable, quite logical... makes sense.

However, the only space in the middle is filling out the rest of the roster with vets who just aren't very good (::phone rings in a dark La Cantera Resort hotel room, a groggy man answers, a cheerful Brian Wright is on the other end of the line:: "Hey Bryn, what you up to these days"?). That doesn't seem like a great solution. So, as long as someone (like Kyle Anderson) would be willing to accept whatever role the Spurs can offer... that seems like what we should do. After all, we do have to fill out the roster one way or another. I think Bassey would be fine in that third C/emergency backup role (and I get the feeling the Spurs maybe aren't ready to give up on him), and I'm hoping that last spot goes to a vet PF. I'm not going to sit here and bang the drum for Kyle Anderson anymore than I will for any other guy (in fact, I'd prefer Kevin Love simply for the entertainment value), but he'd be fine (if he'd accept the role). I think there will be enough opportunities for whomever that guy is, because history would suggest that at some point Sochan is likely to miss some games.