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    Yeah. I'm not going to say giving Fox the max will be done horrible mistake, but it's going to have really difficult repercussions for us.
    Only if his contract becomes by 2029 when Harper's extension kicks in.
    I don't think it will happen and moving 32 year old Fox with 2 years left on his contract (if he gets a 5 year max) shouldn't be that difficult. Even easier if he takes a 4 year deal.
    Some fans might say we won't get a lot for him, but acquiring him for cheap and getting 4 prime years out of him is good enough even if he just gets salary dumped.

    The reason he was traded was that the Kings didn't want to max him. He'd still be there otherwise.
    Depends on which side you believe.
    If I was an all-star I'd have serious doubts about extending with one of the worst franchises in the league and wasting my prime without even making the playoffs.

    I know you're low on Fox and you obviously have a right to have an opinion, but your narratives are awful, I'm not going to pretend I forgot about you calling Fox an undersized, inefficent chucker who plays no defense.
    Your opinions in these situations can't really be taken seriously.

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    Yeah. I'm not going to say giving Fox the max will be done horrible mistake, but it's going to have really difficult repercussions for us. The reason he was traded was that the Kings didn't want to max him. He'd still be there otherwise. Not giving him the max may be the smartest thing they've done for a while although the rest is questionable.

    I fear that in two or three years we're going to regret this.
    Where are you seeing this? I read he wanted out because he wasn't going to be supermax eligible there by not making an All-NBA team playing for a loser. Thankfully the Spurs can't offer him an elevator to 35%.

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    David Jones Garcia has piqued my interest.
    its pretty rare for summer league players like this to get NBA contracts. we did it with jonathon simmons... but he wasnt just a summer league guy, he had played in the gleague for austin so the spurs already had their eye on him before signing him (oddly enough, off the Nets summer league team). jones-garcia did play in the gleague last year, but never for the spurs

    this is the type of guy who would typically play themselves into a 2-way contract first. but given we still have 2 open roster spots, i guess anything is possible

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    Where are you seeing this? I read he wanted out because he wasn't going to be supermax eligible there by not making an All-NBA team playing for a loser. Thankfully the Spurs can't offer him an elevator to 35%.
    The Kings reportedly offered him a max extension already, and he declined it to see if he could become SuperMax eligible and because he wanted to see if the team would get serious about building a winning team.

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    well, after sending out Blake and Bran for Olynyk, we now have 3 roster spots open in addition to the 2-way spots

    names i find interesting, assuming we just want low maintenence vets (cant speak to price points given we are 8.5mil below the tax line):

    DeAnthony Melton
    Malcolm Brogdon
    Gary Patyon II
    Jordan McLaughlin
    Cory Joseph
    Alec Burks
    Seth Curry
    Amir Coffey
    Torrey Craig

    if they wanted to stash away an upside player who can be on the roster but spend a lot of time in austin, Jalen Hood-Schifino is still out there
    one down. i dont think melton/brogdon would want such minimal roles, they'll latch on elsewhere. with mclaughlin squarely being a PG, that would also rule out CoJo reunion. ideally want more shooting from end of bench vets, so Burks/Curry/Coffey/Craig all still intrigue me.

    i still think JHS is very much worthy add to at least a two-way, if not just giving him the 15th spot and letting him chill in Austin while being paid like an NBA player. i know its a redundant position but he's still pretty talented and has shot it straight in the gleague

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    He was with the unaffiliated Mexico City Capitans, and he did well. I think he’d be a good wing project, but maybe the Spurs don’t feel the same.

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    Where are you seeing this? I read he wanted out because he wasn't going to be supermax eligible there by not making an All-NBA team playing for a loser. Thankfully the Spurs can't offer him an elevator to 35%.
    He was trying to get his max from Sacramento and after they dragged their feet he started pushing (and Klutch started pushing) to get him to SA.

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    He wanted out after they fired Mike Brown. Had nothing to do with his contract. Y‘all just be making up all the time.

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    its pretty rare for summer league players like this to get NBA contracts. we did it with jonathon simmons... but he wasnt just a summer league guy, he had played in the gleague for austin so the spurs already had their eye on him before signing him (oddly enough, off the Nets summer league team). jones-garcia did play in the gleague last year, but never for the spurs

    this is the type of guy who would typically play themselves into a 2-way contract first. but given we still have 2 open roster spots, i guess anything is possible
    Wasn't Gary Neal also signed from SL, or did he go into SL already on a contract?

    The Spurs should offer whatever contract gets him to agree. I could see him getting a Champagnie Special.

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    Wasn't Gary Neal also signed from SL, or did he go into SL already on a contract?

    The Spurs should offer whatever contract gets him to agree. I could see him getting a Champagnie Special.
    neal was before the time of two-way contracts though. maybe even simmons, i dont remember the timing

    but yes i love the champaigne/bassey special

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    Gary Neal was signed to an NBA Contract on July 22, 2010 (https://www.basketball-reference.com.../nealga01.html), by then he had already completed the Summer League with the Spurs, helping them to a 5-0 record. He started 4 of 5 games, averaged a team-high 16.0 ppg and made 17 of his 34 3pt attempts (https://towsontigers.com/news/2010/7..._Summer_League)

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    So can we steal Dort from the Thunder? Or Caruso?

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    So can we steal Dort from the Thunder? Or Caruso?
    Not yet. The Thunder will be fine this next year while Chet and J Will are still on their rookie scale contracts. Next summer at the earliest is when they will start to offload their higher priced role players.

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    Breaking: Oklahoma City Thunder All-NBA star and champion Jalen Williams has agreed to a five-year maximum rookie contract extension that could reach $287 million, agents Bill Duffy and Justin Haynes of WME Basketball told ESPN.

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    He was trying to get his max from Sacramento and after they dragged their feet he started pushing (and Klutch started pushing) to get him to SA.
    You’ve got it backwards. It was Fox, not the Kings, who was dragging his feet

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    So Jalen Williams gets the full SuperMax escalator (which he still must earn this coming season) while Chet gets a partial.

    I do think it is worth point out that because of how the 2026-27 salary cap increase came in at 7% AND how Spotrac is currently forecasting only 5% cap increases after that, even if these players do not hit their escalator clauses, extensions with max Bird raises are now *increasing* contracts as a % of the cap (and beyond 25% for rookie max players).

    The extensions for Paolo, Chet and JWill now look like this as a % of the cap:

    2026-27: 25.00%
    2027-28: 25.71%
    2028-29: 26.30%
    2029-30: 26.78%
    2030:31: 27.15%

    This is something to watch out for with the Spurs and Fox's extension. If he signs a 30% max deal with full 8% Bird Raises, his % of the cap would project to look like this:

    4 years/$222MM

    26-27: $49.6MM 30.0%
    27-28: $53.6MM 30.9%
    28-29: $57.6MM 31.6%
    29-30: $61.6MM 32.1%

    I think it is not likely, but I think there is a small outside chance and I hope this is what Fox and the Spurs agree to: a 8% raise in year 2, then a (max allowable) 10% decline in years 3 and 4 with year 4 being a player option:

    3+1(PO)/$196MM

    26-27: $49.6MM 30.0%
    27-28: $53.6MM 30.9%
    28-29: $48.6MM 26.7%
    29-30: $43.7MM 22.8%

    This would be about as "team friendly" as it can get for the Spurs, while still giving Fox maximum money for the first two years of the deal and giving him a player option to opt out in 2029 when he'll be eligible for a 35% max by virtue of years of service.

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    one down. i dont think melton/brogdon would want such minimal roles, they'll latch on elsewhere. with mclaughlin squarely being a PG, that would also rule out CoJo reunion. ideally want more shooting from end of bench vets, so Burks/Curry/Coffey/Craig all still intrigue me.

    i still think JHS is very much worthy add to at least a two-way, if not just giving him the 15th spot and letting him chill in Austin while being paid like an NBA player. i know its a redundant position but he's still pretty talented and has shot it straight in the gleague
    Shamet looks interesting too if we want a shooter.

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    Mamu, sweet prince

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    You’ve got it backwards. It was Fox, not the Kings, who was dragging his feet
    Right, because he wanted the bigger money that they didn't want to give him.

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    Seems like he can shoot, too. His listed height is 6’6”, so he’s got wingish size.
    measured 6´3.5“ at the combine in 2024……..smaller than Branham……wingspan at 6´6.75“ is not that good either.

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    Free agent Marvin Bagley III has agreed to a one-year deal with the Washington Wizards, sources tell ESPN. Bagley returns to the Wizards after playing in Washington for a year (2024-25) and then being traded to Memphis at the February deadline.

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    Jones-Garcia was dominating in the G-League last season too. I guess he'll get a 2-way, but the Spurs should really consider a longterm Champagnie type deal.

    6-6 with a 6-10 wingspan, 23 years old, averaged 24.5 PPG 7.5 RPG 3.2 AST 1.5 STL on 48/35/91

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    How are we not discussing the 70-odd million Devin Booker just commanded for 2 years?!?!

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