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    He's literally averages more PPG and RPG every year of their careers.

    Once again, I use facts to come to conclusions over repressed emotions and misery. Get outside, go for a walk, read a book. You'll dislike yourself less.
    @ thinking Sochan is the better player because he scores 1 Point more per game and therefore you’re using „facts“. Hilarious.

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    if a player gave an interview like that today. signs a 5 year deal, says he'll keep going for "another couple of years" and figure out whats gonna happen
    ESPN: „does Tim Duncan want out of San Antonio? Should the Spurs trade him? Will the Lakers pair him with Shaq or should he go to the Knicks? We‘ll talk about it for the next 5 years“

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    Free agent center Isaiah Jackson has agreed to a three-year, $21 million deal to return to the Indiana Pacers, CAA's Drew Morrison and Sam Rose tell ESPN. Pacers are excited about Jackson's development, return, and now lock in a young member of their core.

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    Bid Daddy passing on his offer from Greece and will play for Denver. So… we’re back to getting skull ed by Val.
    Luke is going to save us

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    Luke is going to save us
    We could have prime DRob out there and I'm afraid Big Daddy Val would find a way to make us his . It's like his brain is wired to kick into some other gear whenever he sees Black and Silver across from him. Zach Randolph and Bonzi Wells were the same way (coincidently, all former Grizzlies).

    The only way to prevent us from the abuse from Val would be to sign him, but then I'm afraid he'd find a way to still us (Zach Collins style). The day Jonas retires is the day we'll finally be safe from his fury.

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    25 years ago. Should be a San Antonio holiday tbh. We'll forever be indebted to Doc Rivers' dumbass for completely blowing his opportunity to steal Timmy away from us in 2000.

    Wow, 6 year 67M contract. Isn’t that like the first year of Bookers extension, lol

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    We could have prime DRob out there and I'm afraid Big Daddy Val would find a way to make us his . It's like his brain is wired to kick into some other gear whenever he sees Black and Silver across from him. Zach Randolph and Bonzi Wells were the same way (coincidently, all former Grizzlies).

    The only way to prevent us from the abuse from Val would be to sign him, but then I'm afraid he'd find a way to still us (Zach Collins style). The day Jonas retires is the day we'll finally be safe from his fury.
    Yeah it’s almost like Nugs can just rest Joker when playing the Spurs.

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    They had a out the same 3 pt percentages last year with Sochan having the higher field goal percentage.
    They grade pretty close across the board tbh. Herb can't do anything but spot up. Sochan is a great screen and roll guy. Herb plays the lanes more, Sochan Iso defense and down low. Sochan averages more points and rebounds. Herb averages one more assist and steal and better free throw percentage. Oddly a lot closer than I thought they were.

    Sochan is 5 years younger.
    This isn't specifically directed at you but...

    Sooner or later, Sochan is gonna either be COMPLETELY exposed as a defensive player only or he will have a breakout season and start taking/makin shots with confidence. It's not his percentage of lack thereof, it's his game. It's his hesitancy. It's his lack of emergence as more than a bench player. It's the fact that his defender can often slag off to help defend the paint vs. penetration. Mid season, I wouldn't expect him to be in the starting lineup except in games where his defense is needed early and it's been way to many years after being drafted 9th.

    Sochan at this point just isn't very good for THIS team currently configured. Barnes at 38 y.o. is a better fit. At this point, it might be Carter who replaces his minutes next year.

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    Barnes at 38 y.o. is a better fit.
    Damn, Black Falcon is aging in Dog Years but still looks like he's ready to be a leading man in a Hollywood summer blockbuster

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    Damn, Black Falcon is aging in Dog Years but still looks like he's ready to be a leading man in a Hollywood summer blockbuster
    My bad - 33

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    Weird take bc you highly insinuated that Sochan was better bc all Jones knows how to do is shoot 3s. In 20
    games last year he made 3 less threes than Sochan did and that was him injured. Shooting percentage doesn’t really matter as much as volume AND shooting percentage. There’s a reason why NBA stats don’t include players who shoot beneath a certain amount of free throws. Plenty of players go 12/12 or 20/21 and they aren’t leaders in those statistical categories.

    So here’s a stat for you. Sochan made a career low in the number of 3s in a season. He made less than his rookie year when he shot a lower percentage. He made 28 threes last season. How is that improvement? A career low is improvement? And this is a fact. A statistic. No emotions in it at all. Any rebuttal in favor of Sochan shooting a career low would be immature and emotional.

    Also doesn’t Herb Jones start for his team? And Sochan is a bench player yes? So why are you comparing a bench player to a starter? Why would a bench player make the same amount as a starter? We should compare him to other bench players. Sochan should be compared to other bench players. Yubusule has similar stats to Sochan and is making 5 million a year. Sochan should be in that area as well.
    I didn't insinuate Sochan was better. At any point. You're constantly making arguments up in your head. Just have a normal conversation bro.

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    This isn't specifically directed at you but...

    Sooner or later, Sochan is gonna either be COMPLETELY exposed as a defensive player only or he will have a breakout season and start taking/makin shots with confidence. It's not his percentage of lack thereof, it's his game. It's his hesitancy. It's his lack of emergence as more than a bench player. It's the fact that his defender can often slag off to help defend the paint vs. penetration. Mid season, I wouldn't expect him to be in the starting lineup except in games where his defense is needed early and it's been way to many years after being drafted 9th.

    Sochan at this point just isn't very good for THIS team currently configured. Barnes at 38 y.o. is a better fit. At this point, it might be Carter who replaces his minutes next year.
    Ageed on most points. He has to be a good shooter to help elevate the team. Good thing he's working on it and only 21. Considering he's done everything they've asked of him, I don't have a reason to believe he won't get better. If he doesn't get better, he becomes expendable like all players.

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    @ thinking Sochan is the better player because he scores 1 Point more per game and therefore you’re using „facts“. Hilarious.
    I didn't once say he was the better player. When y'all insecure cats feel like you've lost an argument, you just start making arguments up.

    This all started because I pointed out how similar they are stat wise and how Sochan actually averages more PPG and RPG. Take my advice bro, you need to learn to like yourself. Go treat yo self.

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    Wow, 6 year 67M contract. Isn’t that like the first year of Bookers extension, lol
    Yea that contract was for around $11.2M/year. Adjusted for inflation, that would be around $21M/year today. Sill a huge difference. NBA money is just nuts these days.

    The Salary Cap in 2000 was $35.5M too, compared to $155M today. Pretty wild.

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    I didn't insinuate Sochan was better. At any point. You're constantly making arguments up in your head. Just have a normal conversation bro.
    You literally said Sochan is the better offensive player. And you also said that Sochan is improving as a shooter. When your own statistics say he isn’t improving as a shooter. He made a career low in 3s for a season. That isn’t improvement. He averaged 11 points as a rookie. 11 as a sop re and 11 as a 3rd year. His blocks are identical. His steals are identical. His shooting percentage from outside the lane hasn’t improved at all. His free throw percentage got worse. His assists are the same too. I’m having a hard time finding out what he improved on other than he just camped in the dunkers spot in order to be useful.

    Tbh if Sochan doesn’t learn how to shoot this year then I don’t see him having a role going forward. He will be traded to some crappy franchise like Washington and watch from afar as the Spurs rise to success

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    I must have entered some alternate reality. Posters ragging on Sochan for his lack of offense and inability to space of floor and then talking about how Carter needs minutes. I have hope that he’ll show progress but to date he’s shown all the offensive prowess of Thybulle. If the object is fewer shots, fewer make, less spacing then certainly we should be all in on Carter over Sochan.

    … and TX has 0% tax LA 5%, that could in itself chip a little off the contract.

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    Sign Garcia, Bassey,, and Mclouglin to round at the third team. They can join Olynyk and Keldon on the third team.


    Harper
    Castle
    Bryant
    Sochan
    Wemby

    Fox
    Vassell
    Champ
    Barnes
    Kornet

    Mclouglin
    Garcia
    Keldon
    Bassey
    Olynyk

    Two way
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    Hope Harper, Castle , and Sochan can all get above 35 percent from three. Doable as all three have good strokes.

    That second team can be a starting 5 in the nba. Very good. Arguably better than Charlotte or Washington starting 5.

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    Sign Garcia, Bassey,, and Mclouglin to round at the third team. They can join Olynyk and Keldon on the third team.


    Harper
    Castle
    Bryant
    Sochan
    Wemby

    Fox
    Vassell
    Champ
    Barnes
    Kornet

    Mclouglin
    Garcia
    Keldon
    Bassey
    Olynyk

    Two way
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    Hope Harper, Castle , and Sochan can all get above 35 percent from three. Doable as all three have good strokes.

    That second team can be a starting 5 in the nba. Very good. Arguably better than Charlotte or Washington starting 5.
    This post was like some mission impossible cypher code. I added black font not sure what happened

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    This post was like some mission impossible cypher code. I added black font not sure what happened
    Crazy to think the font colour wasn’t even the worst part of the post

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    I'm pretty much on the same sentiment as most are on Sochan. I hope his 3 point shot legit improved. The Spurs better not even think about giving him a charity contract if his improvements are minimal. Hopefully shipping out his draft buddies woke him up even more.

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    This post was like some mission impossible cypher code. I added black font not sure what happened
    Thanks bro

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    Just to inject some context into the Herb Jones discussion, I don't think his stats from last year are relevant at all. He only played 20 games, was in pain most of those, and then finally got diagnosed with an injured labrum and torn rotator cuff, which he had surgery for.

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    You literally said Sochan is the better offensive player. And you also said that Sochan is improving as a shooter. When your own statistics say he isn’t improving as a shooter. He made a career low in 3s for a season. That isn’t improvement. He averaged 11 points as a rookie. 11 as a sop re and 11 as a 3rd year. His blocks are identical. His steals are identical. His shooting percentage from outside the lane hasn’t improved at all. His free throw percentage got worse. His assists are the same too. I’m having a hard time finding out what he improved on other than he just camped in the dunkers spot in order to be useful.

    Tbh if Sochan doesn’t learn how to shoot this year then I don’t see him having a role going forward. He will be traded to some crappy franchise like Washington and watch from afar as the Spurs rise to success
    Yes, he is the better offensive player. Has been his whole career. Not by much but still better offensively. He scores more and rebounds more while playing less minutes. That part isn't a close argument. They have historically shot about the same outside of one season Herb shot 40. Then he went back to his normal 30% from 3. The biggest thing he has on Sochan is being a better 3 shooter and it isn't by much, but still he's a better 3 pt shooter.

    Playing off ball is not easy. Why do people keep acting like anyone cuts good and can finish well In traffic when doing so? It's literally not common. He found what was available and excelled at it and people try to make it seem like he had nothing to do with becoming good at something most are not. You can hate him all you want. That's cool. It doesn't change facts. You can prefer other players, that's also cool.

    I've said he has to improve his shot. Ive pointed out that literally no one is arguing he doesn't. He's working on it and it looks better than it has. Kudos to him. Hopefully it translates to the game.

    If anyone doesn't learn to score/shoot, they don't Last long in a rotation. No different for Sochan. I've always agreed on that. I just give the kid credit for what he is doing right as well.

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    It‘s funny how you don‘t understand volume shooting

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    Crazy to think the font colour wasn’t even the worst part of the post
    Definitely up there as one of the craziest post I've seen lol

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