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    Sochan is getting cooked right now by Senegal

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    Quick summary of Sochan's play against Senegal:

    -Poland uses him as an offensive initiator a lot, cause he's a non-shooter. That doesn't really do anything except take time off the clock to reset
    -other than that Sochan is parked in the corners with his man sagging off to the paint to play low man (we know why)
    -tried to initiate a fastbreak and got stripped at midcourt
    -got post position and asked for the ball, took one dribble, picked up his dribble, passed the ball back out
    -did one of his classic "let me drive into the paint, oh what do I do now? Let me pass it back out" - of course that pass got stolen and Senegal got a breakaway dunk
    -attempted jumpshots: zero
    -fumbled a bunch of passes in the dunkers spot
    -was far out behind the backboard with his back turned to the rim, jumped up with no chance to score and got blocked
    -didn't lock up anybody on defense
    -gets pretty much ignored on offense by his teammates when he doesn't have the ball
    -scored all of his 6 points off offensive rebounds

    can't find the stats anywhere, so I'm just mentioning those statlines from what I've counted watching.

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    Quick summary of Sochan's play against Senegal:

    -Poland uses him as an offensive initiator a lot, cause he's a non-shooter. That doesn't really do anything except take time off the clock to reset
    -other than that Sochan is parked in the corners with his man sagging off to the paint to play low man (we know why)
    -tried to initiate a fastbreak and got stripped at midcourt
    -got post position and asked for the ball, took one dribble, picked up his dribble, passed the ball back out
    -did one of his classic "let me drive into the paint, oh what do I do now? Let me pass it back out" - of course that pass got stolen and Senegal got a breakaway dunk
    -attempted jumpshots: zero
    -fumbled a bunch of passes in the dunkers spot
    -was far out behind the backboard with his back turned to the rim, jumped up with no chance to score and got blocked
    -didn't lock up anybody on defense
    -gets pretty much ignored on offense by his teammates when he doesn't have the ball
    -scored 4 of his 8 points off offensive rebounds
    -had a nice dunk going downhill in crunch time

    can't find the stats anywhere, so I'm just mentioning those statlines from what I've counted watching.

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    Quick summary of Sochan's play against Senegal:

    -Poland uses him as an offensive initiator a lot, cause he's a non-shooter. That doesn't really do anything except take time off the clock to reset
    -other than that Sochan is parked in the corners with his man sagging off to the paint to play low man (we know why)
    -tried to initiate a fastbreak and got stripped at midcourt
    -got post position and asked for the ball, took one dribble, picked up his dribble, passed the ball back out
    -did one of his classic "let me drive into the paint, oh what do I do now? Let me pass it back out" - of course that pass got stolen and Senegal got a breakaway dunk
    -attempted jumpshots: zero
    -fumbled a bunch of passes in the dunkers spot
    -was far out behind the backboard with his back turned to the rim, jumped up with no chance to score and got blocked
    -didn't lock up anybody on defense
    -gets pretty much ignored on offense by his teammates when he doesn't have the ball
    -scored all of his 6 points off offensive rebounds

    can't find the stats anywhere, so I'm just mentioning those statlines from what I've counted watching.
    Not encouraging.

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    Would like to note that some NBA players have set roles with their national team that differs from their role in the NBA.

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    No 3pt shots were missed!

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    Jeremy is the most noteworthy NBA player for either team, not saying he should dominate or anything but he should be a clear cut top 2-3 player on that court and in this game it doesn't sound like that was the case. For a guy heading into his 4th NBA season, yea i'm concerned (still). That being said, international play can be weird sometimes.

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    Jeremy is the most noteworthy NBA player for either team, not saying he should dominate or anything but he should be a clear cut top 2-3 player on that court and in this game it doesn't sound like that was the case. For a guy heading into his 4th NBA season, yea i'm concerned (still). That being said, international play can be weird sometimes.
    There’s a lot of politics in international bball. Coaches have biases for or against certain players, and there is sometimes a seniority ladder.

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    Did shoot his 2 FTs two-handed


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    I’m glad he didn’t attempt a single 3 point shot. I don’t want to kill his confidence as a shooter before the season even starts. Save all those 3balls for the regular season (and empty gyms).

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    Quick summary of Sochan's play against Senegal:

    -Poland uses him as an offensive initiator a lot, cause he's a non-shooter. That doesn't really do anything except take time off the clock to reset
    -other than that Sochan is parked in the corners with his man sagging off to the paint to play low man (we know why)
    -tried to initiate a fastbreak and got stripped at midcourt
    -got post position and asked for the ball, took one dribble, picked up his dribble, passed the ball back out
    -did one of his classic "let me drive into the paint, oh what do I do now? Let me pass it back out" - of course that pass got stolen and Senegal got a breakaway dunk
    -attempted jumpshots: zero
    -fumbled a bunch of passes in the dunkers spot
    -was far out behind the backboard with his back turned to the rim, jumped up with no chance to score and got blocked
    -didn't lock up anybody on defense
    -gets pretty much ignored on offense by his teammates when he doesn't have the ball
    -scored 4 of his 8 points off offensive rebounds
    -had a nice dunk going downhill in crunch time

    can't find the stats anywhere, so I'm just mentioning those statlines from what I've counted watching.
    Brutal. Sounds like he’s just the same player he was last year. Maybe it takes a few games for the Steph Curry gym workout to pay off

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    Sochan is what he is.

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    Rough game, no doubt. First games often suck.

    I'll reserve judgement until week 5 of the Eurobasket tourney. I do believe, however, he'd have to play phenomenally and kill training camp to regain his role as a starter. We'll see.

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    Sochan’s about to get a crappy extension for being part of the friendship crew and it’s going to be really annoying.

    20 million a year because he said Houston one time

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    But at least we'll always have the IG videos of him shooting 3s in an empty gym like Ben Simmons.

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    But at least we'll always have the IG videos of him shooting 3s in an empty gym like Ben Simmons.
    I mean he was making fade away 3s in practice! That has to mean something. Plus his form is completely different again.

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    He's so much worse than Vassell, should be the first one out of the door tbh. If tosb Olynyk and rookie Bryant successfully keep him out of the rotation it'll be such a blessing for this team.

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    im calling it now...the next game or two...sochan will have a decent performance and shoot well...

    and

    the same exact posters slamming him will also overreact to that one good performance...

    rinse/repeat

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    im calling it now...the next game or two...sochan will have a decent performance and shoot well...

    and

    the same exact posters slamming him will also overreact to that one good performance...

    rinse/repeat
    I don't think anyone is changing their opinion on Sochan.
    He's got plenty of both doubters and believers in here, but I don't recall anyone changing their opinion on him.

    I personally think he shouldn't be considered as an important member of the rotation anymore.
    If he improves on his flaws - great, if not just start DNPing him. We're about to start seriously competing and we can't afford to have the entire team suffer because he can't shoot even after three full years of NBA development.

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    Could of been just a rough of game for him but definitely not a great showing that he has improved on anything. I'm rooting for some better games from him going forward and hopefully he just needs to work some cobwebs out.

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    2/2 for two-handed free throws. Zero missed free throws. If we massage these stats a little more, we can get a positive interpretation...

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    I don't think anyone is changing their opinion on Sochan.
    He's got plenty of both doubters and believers in here, but I don't recall anyone changing their opinion on him.

    I personally think he shouldn't be considered as an important member of the rotation anymore.
    If he improves on his flaws - great, if not just start DNPing him. We're about to start seriously competing and we can't afford to have the entire team suffer because he can't shoot even after three full years of NBA development.
    He’s a much needed bench player. I love Sochan on our team. I just hate this narrative that he has improved his shot (when he hasn’t) and that him posting drills with bad form is seen as gospel that he has turned the corner on shooting.
    Tbh I’d love to sign and extend him this season but just have Wright come to the simple realization that Sochan is a bench player going forward and pay him accordingly. Nothing more than 12-15 million a season

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