BREAKING: De'Aaron Fox Signs $4-yr/$229M Max Extension with the Spurs

[rjv]

Beal is the comp only if you look at the stats and not the style of play.
Beal never played any defense and put no pressure on the rim. And for all the talk about him being an elite shooter, his 3pt% in his peak Wizards years was 36%, just 3% higher than Fox's with Fox obviously being a tier above in almost every other aspect of the game.

not to mention that the absence of a no trade clause is a huge difference.

[TimmyBuckets]

I'm curious as to what the alternative was to paying him. He clearly wanted the max, and it was very likely discussed before he was traded because Spurs got a great deal there no question. So whats the alternative? Trade him away after giving up 2 firsts so basically waste those picks? Pray Harper/Castle/idgaf who maybe turn out to be Fox's caliber (and yes its no question a maybe because nothing is guaranteed, and neither is the godsend of a talent Wemby is)? This was an inevitability.

Don't forget this team hasn't made the playoffs since 2019. Wemby and some rookies or whatever aren't winning together in the next few years without a legit number 2. Castle isn't that guy (yet? ever?) and No NBA games under his belt Harper is definitely not that. ST wants Wemby to win now, but now they don't anymore lmao.

[scott]

always expected this to be the case. Spurs will figure this one out as they go. Plenty of time left. You really have to start worrying about it from 2028/29 on. It's also not etched in stone that both Castle and Harper will get max extensions. Even if they do, Spurs could pay luxury tax for one season as well. Plenty of options and way too early to worry about the implications of that contract later on.

And as is should have been. If you're not going to extend him, you don't trade for him to begin with (and yes, we got him for below market, but it would have been an overpay for a 1.5 year rental). Hilarious to see people contemplating this as though there wasn't 6 months to prepare for this exact same happening.

[DPG21920]

Spurs paid below market for Fox. You're just underselling him tbh.

If all goes well, their '27 pick should be in the 20s. The Minny '31 pick is only good if Ant decides to leave. Those aren't "legit" first rounders IMO.

Im sorry, but 1 already lottery pick, 2 unprotected firsts and 5 2nds is not underpaying for a one time all star and I like Fox well enough. It was fair value.

[Mugen]

Agreed, but their presence makes his own fit less than clean and while technically they can decrease their role or trade them, this being the Spurs, I'll believe it when I see it.

Fox is not an All-NBA caliber player though, he's a fringe All-Star caliber player, which is 1.5 tiers below that.

I mean he's literally made an all nba team before and he's in theory still in his prime. I don't think it's absolutely out of the realm of possibility that he sneaks into third team next year playing alongside Wemby and with a lot of notable players (Hali, Tatum, Lillard, Kyrie) missing significant time next season.

[SpursFan86]

And as is should have been. If you're not going to extend him, you don't trade for him to begin with (and yes, we got him for below market, but it would have been an overpay for a 1.5 year rental). Hilarious to see people contemplating this as though there wasn't 6 months to prepare for this exact same happening.

I really think it's just because of what Fox looked like when he played last year (which seems beyond silly IMO)...because otherwise it just makes no sense that people here were celebrating when we traded for him and then suddenly now gawking at giving him a max

[baseline bum]

seemed like there was some momentum to him getting a bit less but the spurs org is usually good at being tight lipped. its a lot of money but it captures his entire prime. with the last year not being a player option, we control him through his age 31-32 season.

From where? Randos saying he'd sign for 4 year $200 million? Dude was always getting max and the Spurs knew it when they traded for him. He only forced his way out once all nba looked extremely unlikely so he couldn't sign for supermax in sac.

[Mugen]

Im sorry, but 1 already lottery pick, 2 unprotected firsts and 5 2nds is not underpaying for a one time all star and I like Fox well enough. It was fair value.

Like I said, you're underselling him and that's fine tbh.

[LeBowen]

One West all-star appearance is worth as much as 3 Eastern, tbh.

[TD 21]

I mean he's literally made an all nba team before and he's in theory still in his prime. I don't think it's absolutely out of the realm of possibility that he sneaks into third team next year playing alongside Wemby and with a lot of notable players (Hali, Tatum, Lillard, Kyrie) missing significant time next season.

Cir stances/narrative often dictate accolades in this league, especially with borderline candidates.

The Kings broke a 16 year playoff drought in resounding fashion by being a shocking three seed in the West, so naturally their two stars got rewarded for it.

Outside of that, he's never so much as made an All-Star team, which is about right considering his "catch-all" metrics.

[Mugen]

Cir stances/narrative often dictate accolades in this league, especially with borderline candidates.

The Kings broke a 16 year playoff drought in resounding fashion by being a shocking three seed in the West, so naturally their two stars got rewarded for it.

Outside of that, he's never so much as made an All-Star team, which is about right considering his "catch-all" metrics.

So player who is still in his prime and literally made an All NBA team within the last 2 years is not all-nba caliber, got it

And the Spurs haven't sniffed the playoffs in 6 years. There'll be plenty of potential narratives this upcoming season tbh.

[poopbox]

People thinking they can get a guard putting up all nba numbers for years as the best player on another team for anything less than the max

Can't wait to see this thread 2 years from now when one of Castle or Harper has bust and we are like thank god for that fox deal or we'd be ed

It's more than likely Harper and/or Castle are never as good as Fox. People are really underselling his talent.

[TD 21]

So player who is still in his prime and literally made an All NBA team within the last 2 years is not all-nba caliber, got it

And the Spurs haven't sniffed the playoffs in 6 years. There'll be plenty of potential narratives this upcoming season tbh.

Whether inadvertently or not, you're being obtuse. Fox is a player who made an All-NBA team, he's not an All-NBA player.

Last 15 seasons: Bogut, Johnson, Randolph, Bynum, Rondo, Jefferson, Lee, Noah, Dragic, Thompson, DeRozan, Thomas, Oladipo, Walker, Simmons, Beal, Siakam, Randle, all made it.

People thinking they can get a guard putting up all nba numbers for years as the best player on another team for anything less than the max

Can't wait to see this thread 2 years from now when one of Castle or Harper has bust and we are like thank god for that fox deal or we'd be ed

It's more than likely Harper and/or Castle are never as good as Fox. People are really underselling his talent.

No, people who know how restrictive the new CBA is know you don't blindly give out maxes to players like this anymore.

[Darkwaters]

Im sorry, but 1 already lottery pick, 2 unprotected firsts and 5 2nds is not underpaying for a one time all star and I like Fox well enough. It was fair value.

Has it not already been established that the "1 already lottery pick" would not have conveyed? So including it here seems disingenuous. It was a token inclusion, but not something of any real value given up.

[TimmyBuckets]

No one has offered a single solution to their problem of signing Fox to a max. "You just don't do it." "It's not smart." No alternatives whatsoever. Just a bunch of waaahhh. He wanted the max and it was probably discussed prior to trade. Minus Wemby, Spurs haven't glimpsed at the shadow of a player Fox's caliber since nephew.

[Mugen]

Spurs get a top 30 player in his prime for peanuts and Spurfan is upset that he's not taking late career Timmy discounts tbh

[LeBowen]

Spurs get a top 30 player in his prime for peanuts and Spurfan is upset that he's not taking late career Timmy discounts tbh

Best guard paint penetrator in the league with no range Sabonis as his big.
As he said in an interview, those few games with Wemby were the first time in his career where he wasn't always the focus of PNR defense.

[djohn2oo8]

Spurs get a top 30 player in his prime for peanuts and Spurfan is upset that he's not taking late career Timmy discounts tbh

It’s not that. Fox isn’t a 230 million dollar player.

[LeBowen]

It’s not that. Fox isn’t a 230 million dollar player.

NBA fans really need to start using percentages of the cap.
Is he worth 30% of the cap? Probably not, but he's definitely worth 25% and with Spurs having so many rookie and cheap contracts, those 5% won't be an issue of at least 3 more years.

[TimmyBuckets]

Another thing too. I don't give a rat's ass about a Harper or a Castle or Vassell or whoever. The only player worth anything is Wemby. Every other player is a maybe, and a hopefully at best. There are no all-stars on this team. Fox is the only all-star caliber player, and Wemby is an arguable superstar. That's it. You really think Spurs are going to trade away the guy they sent 2 conveyable FRPs to for a player that doesn't even exist or a metaphysical star that's in ST's ether? The fear is Spurs are going to limit Harper? Screw him. I don't give two s about some rook or a castle. They can stay, learn, get better, and get paid when it's their time or they can bounce this season for all I care. Wemby and Fox is the combo that will get Spurs sniffing the playoffs since more than half a decade. Too much focus on limiting Harper, Castle, Bryant or whichever new dweeb we drafted. This is Wemby's team. Not Ron Harper's kid's team.

[Mal]

Max was 229M. There was not way Spurs would be cheap to save 29M, because he wasnt signing lower than 200M/4. It`s a decent deal, Fox is good player. Looking forward to him playing for Spurs

[spurraider21]

From where? Randos saying he'd sign for 4 year $200 million? Dude was always getting max and the Spurs knew it when they traded for him. He only forced his way out once all nba looked extremely unlikely so he couldn't sign for supermax in sac.

i didnt take it seriously until Stein said something a couple days ago. he didnt phrase it very strongly or anything, just said that ppl around the league werent sure it would certainly be a full max

[benefactor]

Never change, ST

[TD 21]

No one has offered a single solution to their problem of signing Fox to a max. "You just don't do it." "It's not smart." No alternatives whatsoever. Just a bunch of waaahhh. He wanted the max and it was probably discussed prior to trade. Minus Wemby, Spurs haven't glimpsed at the shadow of a player Fox's caliber since nephew.

Clearly, this was agreed to in conjunction with the trade. The question is, why? The Spurs were/are the ones with the premier asset in the league.

There was always going to be a race for star lead ball handler x to come here. By that standard, he's not a high level one, so I don't understand why he was treated as if he he had the leverage.

That was the solution. If he was unwilling to extend for less than the max, then don't make the trade and wait out the next All-Star caliber or better offensive "engine" who was bound to attempt to force his way here.

Or maybe they'd have lucked into Harper either way, in which case they could have signed some stopgap to platoon and still had a legit shot at making the playoffs.

[DPG21920]

Has it not already been established that the "1 already lottery pick" would not have conveyed? So including it here seems disingenuous. It was a token inclusion, but not something of any real value given up.

Why would it not have conveyed?