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Then he better become better than a career 74 percent free throw shooter and shoot better than 30 percent from three. Being unable to shoot three’s won’t help the spacing for Wemby.
229 only if the cap rises by 10% each year. This season it went up by 7%.
26-27: $51M
27-28: $55.1M
28-29: $59.2M
29-30: $63.2M
Bobby Marks projection for 10% growth.
Then he better become better than a career 74 percent free throw shooter and shoot better than 30 percent from three. Being unable to shoot three’s won’t help the spacing for Wemby.
Worth 25% of the cap + 3 firsts + 5 2nds? Think that gets more debatable but we will see. At end of the day I liked the trade a lot for Spurs but I dont love the contract even though it’s understandable.
It could be a non issue and work out great but if it doesnt it will be obvious as to why in hindsight. Theres some real risk that should be acknowledged IMO but thats about the extent of it.
Under this current CBA, he definitely is. As LeBowen outlined, the Spurs are pretty well set up to give him this type of extension without hamstringing themselves tbh.
It was top10 protected for this and top8 for the next season.
Bulls were 22-30 before the trade went down, 17-13 after. Started competing for some reason, just Bulls things.
But they would've surely tanked to keep their pick if they hadn't gotten it back.
How can you have loved the trade when it happened and be at all surprised by him getting this max extension? It was literally baked into the transaction unless you were being purposefully oblivious to that fact tbh.
He had a ed up finger. He shot 34% on high volume in 4 seasons before the last one.
Exactly. This has been explained at length many times. People are acting like it's their money or some
So the solution is to pray?
Fox aside, this is an interesting conversation to me (for the reasons I spelled out in an earlier post).
If Fox is a Top-30 player, is he not worth the max (leave aside 25%, 30%, 35% as those are functions of a player's years of service, age, other criteria, etc)? There are 30 teams, so you would assume, at a minimum, that the league's Top 30 players would be making the max just by a function of the division of resources.
If someone doesn't think Fox is a Top-30 player, then that's a different conversation (and that's a fine opinion for them to have, but it is counter to almost every major publication's rankings).
If you think that too many players make the max, then it's really a problem of the max being too low. Is Fox worth the same annual salary as Luka? No, but that's a function of the fact that Luka's value is artificially capped not so much that Fox's is artificially inflated. That's an interesting discussion that can be had, but it's generally accepted (and certainly accepted by the teams and players union) that top players' pay is capped to allow more money for the non-top players.
Of course, there are others who are just old men yelling at clouds and think "spoiled athletes" are paid too much in general. Their opinions can be summarily ignored. These are the "big number hurt brain" folks who just can't adapt to the realities of modern NBA economics. In 2011-12, Kobe was the highest paid player at 43.5% of the cap, and Duncan was the 3rd highest at 36.5% of the cap. But the numbers were only $25MM for Kobe and $21MM for Timmy, so it didn't hurt their brains as much.
He's more of a penetrator than a spacer.
My only concern with Fox (and it's fairly minor) is that he fits best as the lead guard on a running team and I'm not sure that's where this Spurs' roster is headed.
I mean that’s conjecture but fact is the pick conveyed.
I didnt think it was baked in and I certainly thought getting pick 2 and Harper for sure meant it was not baked in .
It’s less of prayer to think players would want to team up with Wemby than it is that Fox will live up to this deal IMO (mostly because Harper and Castle are here - if that wasn’t the case it would be more understandable to me personally).
It’s settled. He’s our new age Parker. Castle is competing with Dylan to complete our future big 3.
This guy better turn in some 40 and 50 point games and be dominant. Instantly my least favorite top level Spur ever. I don't think he has a Spur mentality, I don't think he has a Spur fit. I think he's overrated. He's one dimensional and his best years are hopefully not behind him. But whatever, we're a Klutch team now so we're paying for the mobster touch going forward. Let's do this.
Nope. He’s going to make multiple All Star appearances, and an All NBA team or two in the next 3-4 years, and then we’ll trade him for ending contracts and a few firsts.
Spurs never get themselves into cap jail. They know way more about contracts and player value than you do.
Only here.
I think my main issue is two things:
1) I get spurs made a deal with fox but a major unforeseen variable changed the equation (Harper). No one in the league given that change would have called the Spurs terrible for not paying Fox 230M especially when it’s unlikely anyone in open market would have paid him that anyways. If you try to buy a house and commit to doing so but before closing you lose your job? You aren’t expected to keep buying the home.
There was a material change to the equation for the Spurs and they have every right to negotiate vs cave and give Fox full max. Again, do I think its a for disaster? Not at all. Im simply saying that theres very real risk now and the only path for that risk to even come to fruition was giving Fox this max and they did it.
2) This is a win now move but nothing else they did was win now really. Spurs weren’t even close to playoffs and it seems like vast majority of what they did was seemingly relyhign on patience and internal growth vs pushing pedal down to truly give best chance to make playoffs. Now, I believe in that approach and I think SA could make playoffs as is. But still, trading 3 firsts + 5 2nds and paying Fox 230M is a win now move and they didnt really do much to win now other than sign a back up Center?
Trade pick 14 for some actual help if thats your goal. Trade Keldon or Dev + picks to get better fits/shooting and talent upgrades.
It’s very mixed messaging and half assed win now (which I was fine with that approach before paying Fox 230M).
spurs have already announced the signing, so looks like the door is open
But to clarify: I like Fox on the court. Im not concerned for first 2 years really (and if Harper and Castle leap that much this year that’s great problem to have but it will make this contract look worse).
I think he will be damn good and I fully understand the reality of why it happened even if I dont agree with it or love it. I don’t hate it either. I don’t think it’s a for sure disaster. Im just simply approaching it with the understanding theres a very real path to issues that look obvious today. Just have to hope it doesnt go bad and go down that path.
If you think the Spurs paid a fair market price for Fox then you have had to assume that an extension was coming. Maybe he takes a little less than the full max but I don't expect a a star player in his prime to leave 10+ mil on the table nor would I begrudge him for not doing so tbh.
If anything, the Spurs lucking into Harper probably solidified Fox asking for the full max knowing that it's very possible he's traded after Year 2 or 3 of the extension.
I would respectfully disagree with your thought. It seems to me we are becoming much more equipped to be an athletic running team with the capabilities to also break down a defense in a half court setting.. At least I hope that's the case.
its not like Fox is 31 and we are entering a do or die season. he is 27. the objectives for this season are going to be to actually get into the playoffs to give these guys a taste of at least one 7 game series while also carving time to develop young guys like harper, bryant, castle.
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