Reply With Quote
For the record, Spotrac more accurately is reporting Fox's deal as 4/222.
Spotrac also listing Fox as trade eligible on 2/4/26
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/player/_...00/deaaron-fox
This is exactly right imo. Offer likely in place when Fox/Klutch got us the discount to get him. I don't think there was a much of a chance for anything less than max $$$ and that chance went to zero when we lucked into #2/Harper and turned down trade offers. Like maybe Fox would be willing to take slightly less to bring on another win-now star (like Giannis or some giant move like that), but he wasn't gonna leave anything on the table with Castle and Harper fighting to take his job.
I wanted Fox for the next 3 years and unless he falls off an age/injury cliff he'll still either bring us value (likely) or will be fairly easily movable throughout the contract.
I the meantime, we have tons of insurance if Fox declines, or Castle/Harper don't develope as hoped.
Regardless of fit we're in a very enviable position even without Wemby- top 20-30 player with 2-3+ typical prime yrs ahead, a going on 21y/o reigning ROY with real All-D/AS potential, and jumbo 19y/o G with star pedigree/legit top-15 upside who would've been #1 in some recent drafts/top #3 in pretty much all.
Sure, they all have concerns, their fit is subpar, but from a talent/age/control POV, there's only a few teams in the league who wouldn't trade all of their guards plus other assets for our 3 and their contracts.
I am worried Fox could be an albatross max at 30/31, speed reliant, not big, not a plus assist man/defender. But we were pot committed when we made the trade.
Buy the ticket, take the ride!
For the record, Spotrac more accurately is reporting Fox's deal as 4/222.
Spotrac also listing Fox as trade eligible on 2/4/26
https://www.spotrac.com/nba/player/_...00/deaaron-fox
You may be right. I think an athletic running team is what they (like anyone else) might want.
But Harper, while quick and uber-skilled, does not seem like an end-to-end court runner.
Castle is also an athletic explosive extremely talented player but doesn't seem like a pure court-runner.
Wemby can run but do they really want him to -- do they want Wemby to race the floor every time some teammate gets a defensive rebound (with all the implications for him that would mean).
Carter Bryant may be the one guy who would fit perfectly with Fox as a pure speed merchant.
Well, at least you did not hold back on your thoughts. Personally, I think he will do good and even in a worst case scenario except for injury, I don't think the outlook is as bleak as the one you have put forward. I am ready for the season to begin.
Last edited by rogcl1; 08-04-2025 at 05:51 PM.
That makes sense from Fox side, but not Spurs. I get why Fox would not take less if he knew Harper + taking less makes him more likely to be traded, but from Spurs side? Plenty of guys want to play with Wemby and they do have Harper and they need to make sure they protect their future and Wemby future.
Even if one thought that a deal was agreed to during trade, Harper was a legit variable shift that matters.
Do you disagree that giving up 3 firsts + 5 2nds + paying a player 230M is a win now move?
And for posterity's sake, Tony Parker was an All-Star, All NBA 2nd Team player, and MVP Vote Getter (finishing 5th, 6th, and 12th) in his age 29, 30, and 31 seasons.
Only point this out because everyone talks about how "fast guards" all fall off a cliff when they are 30.
Porky's best years were age 28-32, same age as Fox will be during this contract. The blueprint is there tbh.
If Wemby continues on his development trajectory and actually becomes a decent outside threat, there's probably less than 10-15 guys that I'd rather pair him with than Fox tbh.
And it was known he wanted a max extension, fair value at best.
Deep, you're too smart and have been a Spurs fan for too long to know that the Spurs were never welching on a handshake deal with Klutch & Co. Lucking into Harper didn't move that contract number one way either direction tbh.
No Wemby needs to rebound and initiate the break and then be the trailer and shoot his 3 as an option off the break and choose his spots when to sprint to beat his man down the court.
After the burned village the Spurs have been the past several years and am very pleased we are getting better.
Fox is making more than Luka and so many other legit stars. And Im shocked Spurs couldn’t even leverage making it a declining front loaded deal??
Glad to see this piece of business is done, the last thing we wanted was it looming over training camp etc (like Sochan's extension probably will). I was hoping for a small discount or maybe a 3 yr deal ala Luka, but the trade that brought Fox to SA doesn't happen unless Klutch was confident their guy BWright would come through for them. The trade was absolutely a great deal for the Spurs, especially when you account for the negative value Zollins brought to the deal.
Looking ahead, if Castle and Harper both hit then Fox becomes expendable, obviously. But the odds of that happening are far lower than many of us here want to admit.
I knew it was coming I dont have to love it though
But again, I am honestly very excited about the on court product this season. I dont think we are a lock to be a playoff team, but we should be in mix. Hopefully Fox pays off.
That was my first thought. Maybe we don't have all the details, but a front-loaded deal seems like it should have been automatic. Maybe I'm missing something.
Not to worry, though. If the City doesn't vote to build the arena this month, the Vegas team will be able to afford some second apron money when the time comes.
Guessing the plan is for Fox to be a big expiring to ship out in the summer of 2029 if Harper becomes a star. Even if Castle becomes a max player it's not until 2029 where the money becomes a problem. Assuming they don't do something re ed like throw a big money extension at Suckhan.
Uncle Scrooge's nephew is coming.
No kidding. The Spurs will indeed have to pay up and prepare to see their cap space explode. And when Wemby, Harper, and Castle get their share of the pie, Fox can be used as a bargaining chip to assemble the best possible team in three or four years. OKC had to pay. It's only going to go from here on out.
Difference is OKC had to pay when they were a contender.
If Spurs aren't aiming for the le in three years, then they'll have far more important questions to ask themselves than cap space.
This time they did.
That was the thought when 10% annual raises to the cap looked inevitable, but with the cap at 7% compounded now Fox's 8% yearly non-compounded raise makes this a flat contract in terms of the cap in the sense that it starts at 30% of the cap with its max at 30.4% of the cap in year 3.
The difference between the 4/222 max and 4/200 or whatever some people are all twisted up about was more than made up for in the discounted price the Spurs had to pay to get Fox in the first place.
of course not, but there are varying degrees of "win now" moves. i dont think the trade made the spurs a le or bust team.
Well clearly, but I also dont think giving up 8 picks +230M then drafting 2 rookies and signing a back up Center is exactly “going for it” lol
There are currently 2 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 2 guests)
Posting Permissions
