You're honestly insufferable at times.
A team going 22-30 while they weren't in control of their pick and 17-13 after they got it back is a conjecture, but your patronizing nonsense based on nothing but personal opinion which is obviously wrong in this case isn't a conjecture.
Except that Spurs didn't lose their job, but got a call from a friend that they can switch jobs whenever they want if their current one doesn't work out.
Yeah, giving a max to a proven all-star level player who's a good fit with Wemby is a risk as opposed to pissing off both him and his agency, which happens to be the most powerful one in the league, just so we can focus on developing a rookie who's guaranteed to not be as good as Fox for at least three more years.There was a material change to the equation for the Spurs and they have every right to negotiate vs cave and give Fox full max. Again, do I think its a for disaster? Not at all. Im simply saying that theres very real risk now and the only path for that risk to even come to fruition was giving Fox this max and they did it.
All that while we have the second longest playoff drought in the league and a top5 player on the roster.
Are you serious?This is a win now move but nothing else they did was win now really.
Over the past year we went from Tre Jones to CP3 to Fox as our starting PG.
We went from Tre to Harper as the backup.
Replaced useless Collins and Bassey with Kornet and Olynyk.
Got paid to take Barnes, but you can't say he wasn't an upgrade over Keldon/Jeremy as a starter.
Those two got their roles reduced because they weren't good enough.
There's a long way to go to being a legit playoff team, but to say Spurs haven't made any moves just shows you didn't follow what was going on at all.
Spurs were on course for a .500 season, give or take.Spurs weren’t even close to playoffs
Traded for Fox which would've guaranteed a play-in spot if Wemby situation didn't happen.
I'll repeat it again just because you're so ing dense.But still, trading 3 firsts + 5 2nds and paying Fox 230M is a win now move
'25 CHI: Top10 protected in '25 and top8 in '26. Bulls were well in top10 pick territory when we gave them their pick back and then they started winning.
'27 SAS: Not even the most valuable '27 pick we have. Barring a major disaster with Wemby, it's going to be in 20s. If a Wemby disaster happens, we might aswell relocate the team, tbh.
'31 MIN: A complete unknown, they changed ownership and are willing to spend now. The only really good asset we gave up.
Some of those seconds were a payment to get rid of Zach Collins and his awful contract.
The rest? What are we talking about, they would've been sold for a couple million and we already have way too many SRPs.
Again, just shows you haven't been following things closely.and they didnt really do much to win now other than sign a back up Center?
Spurs were actually solid when everyone was healthy. Backup C was by far the biggest need after the Fox trade.
Do we need a couple of 3-D wings better than Barnes/Vassell/Keldon/Jeremy? Obviously, but we already made a lot of changes over the past year.
You wouldn't believe how many times we went over this. So many that these "trade X and Y for Z" posts trigger me so much because none of you people are capable of providing actual names and examples that would fit role and timeline wise.Trade pick 14 for some actual help if thats your goal. Trade Keldon or Dev + picks to get better fits/shooting and talent upgrades.
I want Keldon, Devin and Jeremy gone, too, but there are no viable 3-D targets in the #14 + a combination of them price range. Go across everything that's happened this offseason and try to come up with some names.
It's actually very clear messaging.It’s very mixed messaging and half assed win now (which I was fine with that approach before paying Fox 230M).
Last season we missed the playoffs because Wemby went down, this season we'll definitely go above .500 with healthy Fox+Wemby and everyone else is playing for their job.
Last chance for the friendship crew to stay on the team and if we're exceeding expectations and something like 30-20 at the deadline, it will be easy enough to get one more piece with the entire league being in their usual panic mode.
If I was you or anyone else, I'd be way more worried that Devin will get injured again and become dead weight with 4 more years on his contract or that Wright will fall for Sochan's workout videos and offer him 15 to 20 million a year.
Why are you making such a big deal out of nothing is beyond me.
Fox making 6% more than what he's making now won't make or break our roster or cap situation if he plays on his usual level.
Role players getting overpaid is the only thing that can us up until 2029 when some tough decisions will need to be made.
Only bad part of this contract is that it comes in the time of season when there's literally nothing else going on. Nobody will complain about this deal when they see Fox playing with ten digits and a camp with Victor under his belt.
Properly utilized, this could be a really good group.
Just never know how things will play out...maybe ORL is balling, Bane keeps being Bane/Suggs returns to 23'-24' All-D/40% 3 form, but Franz struggles hard, Paolo has to carry too much of the Point load, Fox/Harper ball out, ORL sees Fox, knows how he fit next to Sabonis, concludes he's the missing piece to get them to the finals next yr and beyond is a weak east. Sure its unlikely, but Fox playing like a top 20-25 guy is just maybe close enough to get you a Franz type if ORL thinks the window is open.
Or NOP continues to be a horribly managed team, their ready to fire-sale for a new star if they can move a bad contract (DJM, Poole, etc) but they're willing to move Trey Murphy III at the right price or Herb Jones for a lot less.
Or maybe Booker just gets totally fed up in Phx.
Or the Heat come to you thinking Fox+Powell+Wiggins+Bam may be enough to compete in the East, and they'll give you Herro (and avoid his extension decision) to find out.
Or all of the potential multi-team trades where you can add a top 20-30 guy and expirings (Barnes, Olynek) to make some magic happen and balance the roster better.
Nothing likely, but better to have the option...and if Fox + one of Castle or Harper ball out, their will be lots of potential.
It doesn’t even have to be a bad fit. You just can’t pay 4 guys. That’s the bad fit, a cap fit.
Utah was rebuilding and monetizing pieces. That’s why Markkanen waited.
LMAO Klutch does it again
I’m guessing this was “negotiated” before the trade was executed.
Technically, we could survive one year of 35% (Wemby) + 30% (Fox) + 25% (Castle) + 25% (Harper) contracts because second apron is at 135% of the cap and those 4 contracts would add up to 115%.
Luxury line is at 120%.
It's just that it's not feasible long term, but that would be only for 29-30 season and Fox's contract is done in 2023.
if Castle or Harper earn 30% extension it will be a good problem to have because they'll be all-star level at the end of their rookie contracts and Spurs could probably create an overpowered roster for 26-27 and 27-28 seasons.
You wrote so much with not actually refuting much lol - Classic LeBowen
Chicago would have sat on their pick like Charlotte did. It was a worse pick by the draft than it was by the lottery, because they no longer cared about tanking to keep it because they had it back.
One of those unprotected firsts is ours, and Sacto loved the Minnesota pick so much that they carved it up, and traded the 17-30 rights to OKC.
Since he’s made an All NBA team, he is by definition an All NBA caliber player.
Go away, we'll let you know when the Spurs start contending again so you can start watching games.
Chicago would have sat on it like Charlotte did with their pick. Their pick was about 8th when the trade went down,but in slot 11 when the lottery happened. You don’t intentionally improve tat much from February to April, unless you were sandbagging all along.
What you're not acknowledging is that the Spurs aren't the Lakers and can't run the risk of alienating players who make the move to be traded to them without also running risk. There's no obvious risk free course of action here so while there is risk with this contract, there is risk with every pathway the Spurs could possible take so simply pointing out the existence of said risk doesn't somehow make a point.
What the real question here should be does this course of action have an acceptable level of risk to the chance of it being successful? Well how do you evaluate that? You have to consider the risk involved with the other scenarios. So as we can't go back and rewrite history and Fox WAS traded whats the downside of not giving him the max? Obviously is hte fact that he turns this season toxic, you lose trust with a very powerful agency entering the prime years of what you hope is the best player in the league, and you lose the trust of other players in your organization and across the league. That seems like a very risky situation, no? YMMV but I would rather not risk that and instead count on Fox maintaining his value since he is not old or showing signs of becoming worse and is on a very talented roster.
Your analogy really falls flat for me. You're comparing the Spurs getting Harper and having more options and opportunities moving forward with about the most catastrophic type of situation in a job loss and home purchase. Its a bad analogy.
Trade a guy who put you at the top of his trade list and watch no player ever request a trade to your franchise again.
They were pot committed because they care about relationships and always try to honor the spirit of the deals they do, regardless of what changes. That's what the Spurs do and its paid off for them repeatedly.
The Max contract was baked in when they decided to make the trade, Spurs were always going to offer it unless Fox offered to take less.
Fox requesting a trade to the Spurs absolutely decreased the value. Desmond Bane got 4 unprotected 1sts, the '26 is very likely the most valuable pick in next yrs drafts bc its the BEST OF PHX, WASH, ORL. They also got a top-2 protected swap. Yes they got off KCPs 2/43M, Spurs got off Collins 2/36, Cole is marginally better than Tre.
Bridges landed NYB 4 unprotected 1sts, + a top-4 protected + an unprotected swap.
Fox is easily the best of those 3 players, highest upside, most success/resume/ability.
Spurs gave up their own unprotected '27, the Minny '31, and top 10/8/8 Chi pick, and a fake first. They obviously got a big discount, the '26 ORL/Phx/Wsh pick is worth the Minny pick + the fake Charlotte 1st at least, but prolly the Minny and another real 1st. That pick will have 2 swings at top 4, its a virtual lock for a top-5 pick.
The Spurs paid value, but WAY less value than what Fox would've commanded w/o the request the trade.
I'm scared of Fox's contract too, but it was practically a done deal when they did the trade. Like it or not, he is a max player in the NBA. I don't love it, but it is what it is.
Fox is tradeable, he is a huge asset unless and until he slows way down. He was/is worth significantly more than we paid. Castle and Harper are 21 and 19, Fox opens the window for next yr and Wemby may be ready. This is one of those good problems, down the road maybe its a problem, but its not a problem today.
Honestly if you want to talk about risk the biggest risk the Spurs took this offseason was not moving Castle. It is quite possible that out of Harper, Fox, and Castle the one with the lowest chance of success is Castle. If he doens't develop, then you've punted on moving him this year when his value was highest. I've got absolutely no problem with this, but if I'm judging outcomes for these 3 players then the most likely by a good margin is that Castle is the worst out of the 3. I love the kid and have high hopes, but I think not all that likely he is ever better than Fox.
Well, at least there won’t be any hard feelings if he gets traded in a couple of years
backup C was a crucial pickup. the on/off splits from being a high end defense to a historically bad one is something that absolutely needed to be addressed if the spurs wanted to "go for it" and "win now"
and if you think trading for a 27yo Fox means they had to trade away the #2 pick to be consistent then i whole heartedly disagree
as for #14, it depends what veteran you think could have been had for 14. they were in on Durant from what we know, didnt happen.
In 3-4 years, he gets a max bag of $$$, probably a ring, and some awards hardware. They’ll also include he and Rich Paul in the process, and let them pick their team again. Spurs don’t screw or surprise people. He’ll be taken care of.
Why are people scared of his contract he is in his prime years and his contract will be ending when the young guys should be ascending if they growth to that level in that time frame.
I swear people are crazy they are over reacting because we got harper who could become a great player or he could become Green of the rockets and never advanced past a good player. Sorry Fox is proven as a good player
Never thought I'd agree with exstatic so much in a single thread tbh
As I said earlier, if you don't like this extension then you should have hated the deadline deal because this contract was locked up the moment Fox made it public that the Spurs were his preferred destination.
If Fox and Wemby stay healthy next season then the most important player becomes Vassell tbh.
If Devin has a good season, I can see this roster getting out of the play in bracket.
Or being 6 or better to start with.
Makes me wonder if Sacramento told Fox he wasn't getting a max from them and to go find another team willing to pay him (we all know Sac has a messed up front office), and 6 months later here we are. Its a lot of money, hope he's worth it.
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