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Is Poland going all out with its players to win exhibition games that don’t mean anything?
This is all based on RC_Drunkford's report above, because I did not watch these games, but the biggest red flag for me, despite his Instagram Shooting Videos, is that even Poland (not exactly dripping with NBA talent) finds the best use for Sochan to be to stick him in the corner, and even then despite opposing teams sagging off him, he still isn't taking (or making) 3 pointers.
Just a complete non shooter out there, which means his upside is capped to being a bench big.
Is Poland going all out with its players to win exhibition games that don’t mean anything?
No, Poland is so good that they can afford to around and experiment in exhibition games. A true European powerhouse.
^Well, if Mr.Fat Body said it, you can be sure it's ty take.
At least Mamu could score
Given the relatively low quality of the opponents and Sochan's teammates, he really should be able to produce more in these games. We well see what he will do in other games, especially in the one that matters during the Eurobasket, be that's disappointing.
The same guys I told to go learn to like themselves are in here name dropping like a groupie. It was honest advice. Your life is so good right now you're hoping for a reason to bring back people to talk to you.
I'll gladly talk ball with anyone, but not invested in broken people trying to infect others with their negativity. I really hope y'all learn to get outside and enjoy life before ya waste too much.
Seems like Sochan is playing bad in league. That sucks. Hopefully he plays better.
Alright then, back to having a life.
Having to come up with made up scenarios about people you know nothing about just because you can't argue like a normal person.
If you were paying attention, you would realize that I'm not being "negative" and I actually like Sochan's play (outside of his shooting). Me being smart enough and actually knowing something about basketball to realize Sochan doesn't have the skillset to drop 50 or 30 ppg at any level of semi-professional basketball doesn't mean I'm being negative, it just means that I like to have sensible takes that draw rationale from actual events of real life, tbh.
You got told that the summer league is easily the worse league in the association and it would make bench players look like stars and felt the need to die on the hill that argued against it.
You're looking for attention and an argument. Nothing about that says you're a happy person brother.
The wild thing is how many times people are replaying made ups arguments about Sochan.
Literally everyone says hes a bad shooter and he needs to improve as a player. Both sides. People who want him off the team and people who don't mind him on the team. There's only one side of Sochan take that's trying to create an argument out of it.
No, I wasn't told that. I was told Sochan would "drop 50" on Summer league. I realized the "50" part was just a figure of speech (or at least I hope so, after reading more from you, I'm not sure anymore) to saying he would be a primary offensive option on summer league, to which I replied he wouldn't because he doesn't have the skill-set. Which is absolutely true, and him not being able to produce as such at an arguably even lower level proves it. I don't know why you are acting as if I'm the one being wrong here.
I'm arguing basketball on a basketball forum, how dare I? This clearly shows I'm miserable.You're looking for attention and an argument. Nothing about that says you're a happy person brother.
If you must know, I'm quite happy with my life, tbh.
Which side would that be, because I'm among those that still want him on the roster, tbh.The wild thing is how many times people are replaying made ups arguments about Sochan.
Literally everyone says hes a bad shooter and he needs to improve as a player. Both sides. People who want him off the team and people who don't mind him on the team. There's only one side of Sochan take that's trying to create an argument out of it.
Dude is a troll tbh. Don’t take him seriously at all. He is constantly wrong and then when pointed out he just uses his “you must be a miserable person line.”No, I wasn't told that. I was told Sochan would "drop 50" on Summer league. I realized the "50" part was just a figure of speech (or at least I hope so, after reading more from you, I'm not sure anymore
I'm arguing basketball on a basketball forum, how dare I? This clearly shows I'm miserable.
If you must know, I'm quite happy with my life, tbh.
Which side would that be, because I'm among those that still want him on the roster, tbh.
I'm kind of surprised he's playing this bad to start with. I mean, it seems he's playing levels below his NBA play, and I don't know why. I don't want him off the team, but I also hope the Spurs don't pay him much if they want to extend him.
Surprising he’s this bad tbh. As an nba player he should be easily scoring in that setting, even without a functional outside shot.
For a big with his profile he should be able to crash the boards, drive for layups or just get out on the open court.
Didn’t watch the game but from what was described and the box score it almost sounds like he got worse. Unless Senegal was focusing their entire team to stop sochan (which I’d doubt they would do), sochan getting those numbers sounds terrible.
no matter how good or bad you think summer league is, saying sochan would drop (or average) 50 in the summer league would be the exact same take as "current jeremy sochan would be the best offensive player to ever step foot on a summer league court" and i simply cant take that seriously
Am I reading this correct, there is one more friendly on Aug 10, and then Poland doesn’t play again until the tournament starts on the 28th?
he's not big enough to be "a big" and his offensive game is too rudimentary to be anything but a big, which is why he's been caught in an awkward spot. he's a bigger Andre Roberson, which is an NBA player, just not a very good one
as bad as we think his offense has been so far, just think about how much that would be exacerbated in a playoff series
I have no idea who anybody's talking about, but the takes that Summer League is some phenomenal basketball world where established NBA players couldn't dominate pretty easily is certainly a take. It's not just Sochan, anyone who is a good NBA player would rip the SL. That's why they don't play there. But you guys really, really like defending Summer League for some reason.
do you think 2025 sochan is better offensively than 2023 victor was? do you think that right now he's a better scorer than cooper flagg? rookie john wall, donovan mitc , dame lillard? you think sochan is better (offensively) now than those guys were as rookies? really? sochan, who scores 11ppg mostly while beeing spoonfed on cuts is a better scorer than these guys were who were scoring 20 nightly against nba compe ion just months after they were in summer league?
Straw man arguments. The argument is constantly changing and drawn out from the original preface. NBA players would dominate in the summer league if the team revolved around them. Very simple take yet it gets spurn into personal agendas.
The emphasis was originally put simply that the NBA is a much different game than the summer league and it's silly that people suc b to the ups and down of what happens there. The argument got hijacked by personal vendettas with people wanting to desperately tell the board they don't like Sochan for the 100th time. It wasn't even about Sochan to begin with.
Next game is tomorrow against Serbia.
An easier to read schedule:
https://www.fiba.basketball/en/event...urobasket-2025
100% agree
there were people here not only saying that Jones-Garcia needs an NBA contract, but people were legitimately saying he should be starting for the spurs
but when i saw people saying "sochan would be scoring 50 in these games" i definitely had to push back
Many thanks Bruno! I'm amazed how hard it is to find information/stats on these friendlies on the internet
With Malaki & Blake gone that leaves Jeremy, Devin & Keldon as the new ST "whipping boys," sadly.
He'll never be a 'complete' offensive player, but he needs to learn to do enough to keep defenses honest (like Aaron Gordon or Bruce Bowen). Also, looking at some finishing highlights between last season and the one prior, you can tell Sochan was deal with some nagging injuries in '24 - '25.
He didn't have the same explosiveness or pop vertically until the end of the season. When he was miscast as the starting or back up C when Wemby went down.
He needs a defined role and prioritize playing off of Wemby, Fox, Castle & Harper exclusively on offense. He needs to be a 'better' version of Jarred Vanderbilt from two or three years ago, IMO.
Contract talk is a moot point cause it's whatever number the Spurs and his representation can agree to. I get that everyone on ST is an armchair GM, but obsessing over a particular number is only going to upset y'all (if he gets above that).
I'm not too concerned about his poor play in international games since his role will be far more reduced on the Spurs. Particularly on the offensive side of the court.
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