Spurs Looking To Build New Stadium Downtown

[ChumpDumper]

Unfulfilled promises of grandiose development to build up an area in decay does not bode well for any promises for downtown.

The grandiose development is precisely what would be built in Project Marvel. Can't think of bigger projects outside of military bases down there.

[CGD]

This isn't an altogether unreasonable position for the Mayor to take, but it's not like this came out of nowhere... why wasn't all of this work already done?

ing up a new arena for the Spurs is a sure fire way to find yourself completely blackballed from politics forever, tbh.

I mean some of it DID come out of nowhere. The Trump Budget Bill, which will lead to the gutting of all sort of programs, wasn’t an entirely foreseeable thing even as recent as 3 months ago.

My sense is that she is struggling to find a place to hang her hat on this. Obviously the spurs are politically popular. She’s smart. But, she also knows she’ll have to explain that MASSIVE expenditure at a time when cities across America are gonna be asked to be backstops to food pantries closing, people losing health insurance, and scaled back support for schools (among other things).

[exstatic]

I mean some of it DID come out of nowhere. The Trump Budget Bill, which will lead to the gutting of all sort of programs, wasn’t an entirely foreseeable thing even as recent as 3 months ago.

My sense is that she is struggling to find a place to hang her hat on this. Obviously the spurs are politically popular. She’s smart. But, she also knows she’ll have to explain that MASSIVE expenditure at a time when cities across America are gonna be asked to be backstops to food pantries closing, people losing health insurance, and scaled back support for schools (among other things).

If she had run on a ‘don’t build a stadium with public money’ platform, she would have lost the election. I see a lot of her position as performative, appeasement to her base.

[CGD]

If she had run on a ‘don’t build a stadium with public money’ platform, she would have lost the election. I see a lot of her position as performative, appeasement to her base.

Is that what she saying? I don’t read her commentary to say “no public funds” for a stadium.

Also, well yeah, these guys are elected with the support of a coalitions. So if the people that elected you care about the impact of these cuts on healthcare, food pantries, etc. (or whatever), it’s political malpractice to have one of your first things out the gate be something that seem against that (corporate subsidies etc). Politics 101.

She’s navigating all this I’m sure.

[BatManu20]

Translation: You will us out of tens of millions of dollars over the coming years if you do not build this arena and renovate the dome.

[djohn2oo8]

[djohn2oo8]

She’s permanently politically dead if she does that.

Well that seems to be the plan. I don’t think she cares if she takes a political hit.

[rjv]

Well that seems to be the plan. I don’t think she cares if she takes a political hit.

jones is very politically ambitious and is likely using her time as mayor as a potential stepping stone to another run for congress. if she publicly campaigns against Marvel, she will lose support from council and will have a hard time pushing her agenda through. it would be disastrous for her if she wound up a lame duck mayor for three years. having the support of COPS/Metro will mean nothing if she can't do anything for them down the road.

[ChumpDumper]

The FBC lease runs out in 2032. The most aggro timeline had the Spurs downtown for the 2028-29 season. The Asst. City Manager said they wanted the main parts of Phase 1 including the arena done by 2030, so the mayor is probably right to say there is time but talking like everything should come to a halt is just bad messaging. I don't see why she couldn't have her answers by the time the county taxpayers vote on [the tourists'] part of the funding.

[djohn2oo8]

The FBC lease runs out in 2032. The most aggro timeline had the Spurs downtown for the 2028-29 season. The Asst. City Manager said they wanted the main parts of Phase 1 including the arena done by 2030, so the mayor is probably right to say there is time but talking like everything should come to a halt is just bad messaging. I don't see why she couldn't have her answers by the time the county taxpayers vote on [the tourists'] part of the funding.

It doesn’t appear as if she wants it at all. Per the next tweet

[djohn2oo8]

[vy65]

PR101: when you put the word "strategic" in front of your action, you're already doing damage control. If all she is after is more information, then why can't she just ask for that information - and also not hit the pause button? What's the point of pausing the project if all you want is information? Is she going to try to negotiate with the spurs after getting the diligence she's seeking? Again, if you want to negotiate more then why not just negotiate more vs. pausing the development wholesale.

That last tweet had her speaking nonsense. Wtf does pausing Project Marvel have to do with wealth inequality? If the concern is about economic opportunity, then why stall a multi-billion dollar development? Again, the City's portion is being funded out of a tourism tax, so it's not coming out of the wallets of ostensibly impoverished San Antonians.

There may be a good reason for what she's doing. But what's abundantly clear is that she is doing a piss poor job messaging why she is doing what she is doing.

[rjv]

from my vantage point, she is going to lose her first public battle. council is going to vote to move ahead with it and she'll have no choice but to allow the voters to decide. she's definitely not going to endorse it but hard to say if she'll actively campaign against it.

[spurraider21]

[rjv]

NBA owners don't want a relocation team in Vegas. They want to benefit from the revenue sharing of the $3 billion that an expansion team would bring.

[exstatic]

NBA owners don't want a relocation team in Vegas. They want to benefit from the revenue sharing of the $3 billion that an expansion team would bring.

They are now pausing expansion,because the owners don’t want to split the new media deal 32 ways. That’s less per team than currently spitting it 30 ways. The one time fee they get would be offset by decreased media income in just a few years.

[onechance87]

Wow actually seeing big support for gina from residents.It looks like shes already campaigning against the spurs.She trying to make
it seem like the spurs are another rich company trying to screw san antonio.Asking for a pause is saying she dont trust the
spurs and there tactics.

[ChumpDumper]

She's being super mealy-mouthed about it. Sounds like she's trying to put herself into a position where she can take credit or deny it whatever happens by saying she has concerns but really can't do anything about it.

I expect the Spurs folks to sit down with the city manager or someone else who could (and maybe already does) understand all of it and that person will relay it all to the council who will green light it while Ortiz can say she tried.

And if one wants to say SA needs to act like the 7th largest city in the US, it's completely fair to say it's time for the city to pony up for an arena after completely sitting out the last three decades only putting like $15 million into the dome while the county did all the heavy lifting with the FBC well after its construction, renovating it for over $100 million knowing it was already half way through it's foreseeable lifespan as a main venue.

[rjv]

They are now pausing expansion,because the owners don’t want to split the new media deal 32 ways. That’s less per team than currently spitting it 30 ways. The one time fee they get would be offset by decreased media income in just a few years.

i think Silver is putting a pause on expansion until 2027-28, when more than half the teams will have expiring contracts with their regional networks. a RSN platform in which all teams, including expansion franchises, agree to participate in could be a game changer.

[BatManu20]

Lol get ed lady.

[BatManu20]

Vegas will get their team eventually, but it shouldn't be the Spurs. Plus based on Wemby's recent comments regarding LV, that might be the worst place we could relocate to tbh.

[rjv]

^^ he ain't wrong.

[vy65]

Vegas would be a ing nightmare to actually live in. Outside of the usual suspects, I think a team in CDMX would be kinda dope. Huge, potentially untapped market, futbol notwithstanding.

[spurraider21]

Vegas would be a ing nightmare to actually live in. Outside of the usual suspects, I think a team in CDMX would be kinda dope. Huge, potentially untapped market, futbol notwithstanding.

i mean you dont gotta live on the strip lol

i live in SW vegas and it just feels like suburbia not much different from living in the san fernando valley in LA. not as many awesome restaurants, but same vibe tbh

[tonight...you]

Vegas would be a ing nightmare to actually live in. Outside of the usual suspects, I think a team in CDMX would be kinda dope. Huge, potentially untapped market, futbol notwithstanding.

Ciudad Mexico is the . Love that place, except for the insane traffic and driving.
That is next level .
The food and culture though... amazing.
As is the smog and the surrounding towns filled with nothing, but roving bands of feral dogs.

Also El Popo going off and the town is built upon a swamp.