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    Lol he's another "both sides equally bad" edgy guy.
    Both sides are equally bad, if we're strictly talking about our reps in Congress and the two-winged bird they belong to.

    As for us citizens and the parties we subscribe to, most are just deluded.

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    Tell me what college you went to....lets see....

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    By pooling risk across a broad range of participants? Do you really not understand how insurance works?
    I pay a lot less for auto insurance than my neighbor that has been charged with 15 DUI's. I pay less for home insurance than my sister that's in a flood plain.

    You mean every other country makes the fat diabetic woman and her husband that has cancer pay a lot more than the healthy 22 yr old couple that runs marathon's for fun?

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    Jumping to the nitty gritty, it's estimated about 20000 Canadians die each year waiting for a procedure.

    Over 60000 Americans die each year due to having no insurance.

    Both problems are fixable. The solution for Americans is, you know, insurance.
    Or you know making the bottom pay something so the the system isn't top heavy would be something to consider also.

    Pretty common at the local small town hospital that over half of the ER visits are people wanting to get Aspirin, ointment, or other OTC things so they don't have to purchase them.

    Middle class is overburdened with +$20k/yr premiums that they don't use.

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    Or you know making the bottom pay something so the the system isn't top heavy would be something to consider also.

    Pretty common at the local small town hospital that over half of the ER visits are people wanting to get Aspirin, ointment, or other OTC things so they don't have to purchase them.

    Middle class is overburdened with +$20k/yr premiums that they don't use.
    Yeah, the people who can't afford health care need to pay for heath care.

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    Yeah, the people who can't afford health care need to pay for heath care.
    Pendulum swung too far in favor of those not trying in the system. Lots of healthy middle class bowing out from the system because of it.


    It's not a can't issue.

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    Pendulum swung too far in favor of those not trying in the system. Lots of healthy middle class bowing out from the system because of it.


    It's not a can't issue.
    They can't pay for health care so make them try to pay for health care. It's a try issue. Got it.

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    The poors have just been holding out on us all along, hoarding filthy lucre from their minimum wage jobs.

    This makes sense.

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    I pay a lot less for auto insurance than my neighbor that has been charged with 15 DUI's. I pay less for home insurance than my sister that's in a flood plain.

    You mean every other country makes the fat diabetic woman and her husband that has cancer pay a lot more than the healthy 22 yr old couple that runs marathon's for fun?
    THE IDIOT HUSBAND SHOULD KNOW BETTER THAN TO GET CANCER. I MEAN IT'S JUST LIKE BUYING A HOUSE IN A FLOOD PLAIN.

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    You mean every other country makes the fat diabetic woman and her husband that has cancer pay a lot more than the healthy 22 yr old couple that runs marathon's for fun?
    relative to the US, they all pay more

    ever buy a pack of cigarettes in Canada?

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    sicky seems a little shaky on the actual concept of insurance

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    sicky seems a little shaky on the actual concept of insurance
    not knowing how things work irl underpins a lot of MAGA aspirations

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    ticky-tack

    will not prevent health insurance premiums from rising

    Why it matters: The plan from Finance Committee chair Mike Crapo (R-Idaho) and health committee chair Bill Cassidy (R-La.) does not extend the tax credits past their expiration at year's end, instead providing funds to enrollees in health savings accounts, according to a summary obtained by Axios.

    • It's not the only GOP plan that's been floated in recent days as Republicans struggle to unite around health care policies.



    What's inside: Certain ACA enrollees earning less than 700% of the federal poverty level would receive $1,000 in an HSA if they're 18 to 49 years old, and $1,500 if they're 50 to 64, according to the outline distributed to Senate offices over the weekend.


    • It would also fund ACA cost-sharing reduction payments that would lower overall premiums but cut subsidies to some ACA enrollees.
    • Other provisions expand the availabilty of low-cost "catastrophic" health plans and cut Medicaid funding to states that provide coverage to undo ented immigrants.
    https://www.axios.com/2025/12/08/sen...-plan-proposal

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    It's a crapo plan.

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    Republicans are obsessed with sex and denying women emergency care

    health care freedom with legal restrictions for women and officially disfavored medical patients

    https://www.finance.senate.gov/imo/m...tients_act.pdf

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    THE IDIOT HUSBAND SHOULD KNOW BETTER THAN TO GET CANCER. I MEAN IT'S JUST LIKE BUYING A HOUSE IN A FLOOD PLAIN.
    Quit acting like health is an accidental concept. America is one of the fattest countries. Must be because they can't afford Ozempic.


    I ask you yet again, Do other countries treat health insurance like every other form of insurance? Since I clearly don't understand how insurance works I gave you examples of high risk having to pay more to offset the odds of a payout.

    I mean everyone should be falling all over themselves to tell me why that's wrong in the auto, home, etc industry.

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    denying people access to healthcare has life and death implications for the patients, while imposing massive public costs

    Here’s a scenario that keeps adoptive and foster parent Sara Pendleton up at night: A child falls ill. The doctor is too expensive. Perhaps the child’s parents reduced or cut their coverage because the subsidies that allowed them to afford health insurance expired. Perhaps she got kicked out of Medicare or Medicaid after the GOP slashed that coverage. Whatever the reason, a policy choice forces mom and dad to keep the child home and hope for the best.

    The child’s condition worsens. Her parents fear she may die. They take her to the emergency room, their last resort for some treatment. Doctors there give her the medicine she needs. They excoriate the parents, telling them their daughter needed care earlier. Now she has a host of complications that could have been prevented, they say, possibly lifelong ones. Then they call Child Protective Services.

    This isn’t just a hypothetical flash of anxiety. Pendleton has seen it happen. She’s fostered dozens of children, including those with disabilities and medical complexities. Children in foster care have the highest rate of chronic conditions of any child population.

    “I shudder to think about the amount of children who could be taken into the foster care system if they’re marginal enough for the parent to not afford a medication,” said Pendleton, who lives in Biloxi, Mississippi. “Now they go to the hospital, and CPS gets called and says, ‘You were supposed to get this kid medication.’”

    Insurance makes it possible for parents to manage a child’s disability, or to keep up with therapy, or even to simply attend to an illness promptly. Children without health insurance are vastly more likely to die if they fall ill, as medical scholars have pointed out for decades. Researchers in 2010 published an analysis of 23 million pediatric hospitalizations, for example, showing that nearly 40 percent of the uninsured children who died would still be alive if they’d had insurance.
    https://prospect.org/2025/12/09/trum...r-on-children/

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    Quit acting like health is an accidental concept. America is one of the fattest countries. Must be because they can't afford Ozempic.


    I ask you yet again, Do other countries treat health insurance like every other form of insurance? Since I clearly don't understand how insurance works I gave you examples of high risk having to pay more to offset the odds of a payout.

    I mean everyone should be falling all over themselves to tell me why that's wrong in the auto, home, etc industry.
    You're right. Sick children can't buy car insurance at all!

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    denying people access to healthcare has life and death implications for the patients, while imposing massive public costs
    no one is denying anyone, if they can afford it.

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    Let me look right into the camera and tell you very clearly: Republicans are the ones concerned about healthcare. Republicans are the party working around the clock everyday to fix healthcare. This is not talking points for us: we've done it.

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