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    Palau pays Trump for forcibly deported laborers


    The tiny nation of Palau, where two seasons of Survivor were filmed, has agreed to take 75 migrants for $7.5 million. They have not been charged with crimes and will be put to work filling labor shortages. Now you really are on Survivor.
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    100 million is radical, some might say extreme


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    DHS Says REAL ID, Which DHS Certifies, Is Too Unreliable To Confirm U.S. Citizenship

    Only the government could spend 20 years creating a national ID that no one wanted and that apparently doesn't even work as a national ID.

    But that's what the federal government has accomplished with the REAL ID, which the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) now considers unreliable, even though getting one requires providing proof of citizenship or lawful status in the country.

    In a December 11 court filing, Philip Lavoie, the acting assistant special agent in charge of DHS' Mobile, Alabama, office, stated that, "REAL ID can be unreliable to confirm U.S. citizenship."

    Lavoie's declaration was in response to a federal civil rights lawsuit filed in October by the Ins ute for Justice, a public-interest law firm, on behalf of Leo Garcia Venegas, an Alabama construction worker. Venegas was detained twice in May and June during immigration raids on private construction sites, despite being a U.S. citizen. In both instances, Venegas' lawsuit says, masked federal immigration officers entered the private sites without a warrant and began detaining workers based solely on their apparent ethnicity.

    And in both instances officers allegedly retrieved Venegas' Alabama-issued REAL ID from his pocket but claimed it could be fake. Venegas was kept handcuffed and detained for an hour the first time and "between 20 and 30 minutes" the second time before officers ran his information and released him.

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    The portion of the US that is foreign born is about 52 million people, ~1/3 of that cohort are people here without legal status, about half have already been naturalized.

    The total black and hispanic population of the US is ~104 million people, maybe that's the reference.

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    from Lincoln's inaugural speech in the Illinois US Senate race in 1858, in Chicago

    Trump wants to undo Abe Lincoln patriotism and the spirit of the OG Republican Party

    By 1858 Lincoln and the Republican Party had to make a choice. Should the newly-formed anti-slavery Republican Party appeal to the Know-Nothings in order to capture the 20% of the electorate that they represented? Or should they, as Lincoln had argued in Bloomington, stay true to the ideals announced in the Declaration of Independence?

    Lincoln made his decision in his inaugural speech in his campaign for the Senate against Douglas. The date of the speech was July10, 1858; it was an Independence Day event. And the speech was in Chicago, Illinois, bursting with growth. In 1830 Chicago had been a village with a population of 250. By 1840 it was a large town with a population of 4,500. By 1850 it had grown into a city of 28,000, and by 1860 it was over 100,000, the ninth largest city in America. Lincoln was speaking to a diverse crowd, at least half of whom were immigrants. What could he say to them about patriotism to America, about American independence, and about the principles of the Declaration? Would he seek the nativist vote by declaring natural-born citizens superior to them?

    Here is what Lincoln said. I have highlighted one sentence in bold type.

    We are now a mighty nation, we are thirty – or about thirty millions of people, and we own and inhabit about one-fifteenth part of the dry land of the whole earth. We run our memory back over the pages of history for about eighty-two years and we discover that we were then a very small people in point of numbers, vastly inferior to what we are now, with a vastly less extent of country, - with vastly less of everything we deem desirable among men, - we look upon the change as exceedingly advantageous to us and to our posterity, and we fix upon something that happened away back, as in some way or other being connected with this rise of prosperity. We find a race of men living in that day whom we claim as our fathers and grandfathers; they were iron men, they fought for the principle that they were contending for; and we understood that by what they then did it has followed that the degree of prosperity that we now enjoy has come to us. We hold this annual celebration to remind ourselves of all the good done in this process of time of how it was done and who did it, and how we are historically connected with it; and we go from these meetings in better humor with ourselves – we feel more attached the one to the other, and more firmly bound to the country we inhabit. In every way we are better men in the age, and race, and country in which we live for these celebrations. But after we have done all this we have not yet reached the whole. There is something else connected with it. We have besides these men – descended by blood from our ancestors – among us perhaps half our people who are not descendants at all of these men, they are men who have come from Europe – German, Irish, French and Scandinavian – men that have come from Europe themselves, or whose ancestors have come hither and settled here, finding themselves our equals in all things. If they look back through this history to trace their connection with those days by blood, they find they have none, they cannot carry themselves back into that glorious epoch and make themselves feel that they are part of us, but when they look through that old Declaration of Independence they find that those old men say that “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,” and then they feel that that moral sentiment taught in that day evidences their relation to those men, that it is the father of all moral principle in them, and that they have a right to claim it as though they were blood of the blood, and flesh of the flesh of the men who wrote that Declaration, and so they are. That is the electric cord in that Declaration that links the hearts of patriotic and liberty-loving men together, that will link those patriotic hearts as long as the love of freedom exists in the minds of men throughout the world.
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    a truly Orwellian wrinkle here is that for 20 years the right wing has been yammering for REAL ID as national ID

    and now that we've got it, DHS -- which certifies REAL ID citizenship and residency information -- has declared REAL ID no good for immigration purposes

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    trademarked artwork used without permission by DHS



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    nuts and bolts immigration figures

    the growth in immigration detainees last year was driven by detention of noncriminals

    Non-criminal detainees represent 72 percent of this growth, 20 percent is attributed to people with, at most, pending criminal charges, and just 8 percent of the growth in ICE detention this fiscal year can be attributed to immigrants with criminal convictions. As many other reports have noted, a small percentage of these convictions represent serious violent crimes or public safety threats. See my previous post from the Chicago lawsuit or David Bier’s detailed post here.
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    nuts and bolts immigration figures

    the growth in immigration detainees last year was driven by detention of noncriminals
    If they were here illegally - they're criminals.

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    That's now how anything works.

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    If they were here illegally - they're criminals.
    not necessarily, immigration law is administrative law -- the vast majority of violations are not crimes whatsoever

    recently states have nade it illegal to recross or be caught on private property after crossing, but this is a relative legal novelty

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    not necessarily, immigration law is administrative law -- the vast majority of violations are not crimes whatsoever

    recently states have nade it illegal to recross or be caught on private property after crossing, but this is a relative legal novelty
    Doesn't change my statement. An illegal act is the defining characteristic of a crime.

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    Donald Trump was convicted of felony crimes.

    You don't care about crime.

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    Doesn't change my statement. An illegal act is the defining characteristic of a crime.



    "I don't know what you mean by 'glory'," Alice said.

    Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. "Of course you don't- till I tell you. I meant 'there's a nice knock-down argument for you!'"

    "But 'glory' doesn't mean 'a nice knock-down argument'," Alice objected.

    "When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean- neither more nor less."

    "The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."

    "The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master-that's all."

    Alice was too much puzzled to say anything; so after a minute Humpty Dumpty began again. "They've a temper some of them- particularly verbs: they're the proudest- adjectives you can do anything with, but not verbs- however, I can manage the whole lot of them! Impenetrability! That's what I say!"
    Through the Looking Glass, Ch. VI
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    (Humpty-Dumpty theory of discourse eventually loses -- the people aren't fooled all of the time)

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    "The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."

    "The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master-that's all."

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    Trump lies all day long

    According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, unemployment among native-born workers was higher in late 2025 than a year earlier. The not seasonally adjusted unemployment rate for U.S.-born workers rose from 3.9 percent in November 2024 to 4.3 percent in November 2025.

    According to the Economic Policy Ins ute, Trump’s claims that his immigration policies are creating job market opportunities for U.S.-born workers are “false and based on a misreading of data from the household survey.”


    “If anything, the job market for U.S.-born workers is worse so far in 2025 than it was in preceding years,” senior economist Ben Zipperer wrote in September.

    In August, Jed Kolko, senior fellow at the Peterson Ins ute for International Economics and undersecretary for economic affairs at the US Department of Commerce under Biden, accused the president of committing a “multiple-count data felony” in trumpeting a jobs boom for native-born Americans.
    htps://ca.news.yahoo.com/trump-boasts-jobs-u-born-152722726.html

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    Tren de Aragua's organization and presence in the US has been wildly overhyped

    As the Trump administration publicly cast Venezuela’s Tren de Aragua (TdA) as a unified terrorist force tied to President Nicolás Maduro and operating inside the United States, hundreds of internal US government records obtained by WIRED tell a far less certain story. Intelligence taskings, law-enforcement bulletins, and drug-task-force assessments show that agencies spent much of 2025 struggling to determine whether TdA even functioned as an organized en y in the US at all—let alone as a coordinated national security threat.
    https://www.wired.com/story/trump-wa...fferent-story/

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    just jumping out on random POC walking down the street in Minnesota

    a Minnesota city councilor has advised people of color to stay home

    The Supreme Court only cleared the way for Kavanaugh Stops four months ago and ICE now openly engages in violent racial profiling, snatching anyone who looks non-white and treating them as presumptively guilty of a crime.

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    reported sexual assault and torture of concentration camp detainees at Ft. Bliss

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...igration#img-1

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...se-immigration

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    According to the letter, ICE officers have been taking some non-Mexican nationals, specifically asylum seekers from Cuba and Guatemala, shackling them and transporting them an hour west from El Paso to the desert border crossing at Santa Teresa, New Mexico.


    Once at the border, detainees gave accounts to advocates of being met by masked officers, who allegedly ordered them to climb the border wall and cross into Mexico, bypassing all legal deportation proceedings and third-country agreements.


    “The masked people sometimes beat on people to get them to jump the wall even if they don’t want to,” said “Eduardo”, a Cuban detainee ordered to be deported and cited under the pseudonym in the letter. He alleged that officers told him if he did not cross to Mexico, he would be charged with federal crimes and sent to a prison in “Africa or El Salvador”.

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