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    Well yeah he'd be free but what would the percussions be? Any? None?

    I guess none.
    of course it would be scandalous if Maduro walks

    perhaps Trump could be persuaded ($$$) in that eventuality to grant Maduro and his wife safe passage to a friendly third-country

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    I like this guy but, he just swerved out of his lane.

    Do you not think that the U. S. Military that was able to pinpoint Maduro's location and extract him without any American casualties, in about 20 minutes - is unable to surveil the docks of Venezuela to see which boats are filled with surplus gas cans and bricks of dope?
    Ok, lets play the "lets pretend this was obama" and what you would be posting if that was the case;

    If this was obama...

    You

    would be asking:

    "why did obama go after another dictator- but will kiss the ass of putin and other dictators?"
    "why did obama order the boats attacked/destroyed- which were 1,000 miles away and the gas tanks in those boats wont get anywhere near 1000 miles before they need a fill up"
    "why didnt obama just order the proper units to arrest these narco traffickers and prosecute them and make an example of them to make sure other drug criminals knew they were going to be caught too?"
    "why did obama pardon another drug kingpin who had already been given due process and CONVICTED in us courts of law- yet is somehow using the drug issue as a reason for kidnapping maduro?"
    "why is obama saying he wants the oil of venezuela for himself and his oil corporate donors and why is obama not lynched from the white house tree yet?"

    "why is obama allowed to steal billions in crypto scams and stock mkt manipulations and why is he not in prison?"

    "why is obama on the pictures of epsteins victim at epsteins house and why did obama never report to the fbi that epstein had molested girls that epstein took from obama's child ring spa?" (and why is obama not lynched for this too?)

    "why is obama not releasing the epstein files since his best friend of decades was the biggest pedophile on the planet - what is obama hiding?"


    but since it is the white criminal - these are not questions that concern you now....

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    "US oil companies want “serious guarantees” from Washington before they make splashy investments in Venezuela

    ...“No one wants to go in there when a random ing tweet can change the entire foreign policy of the country,” said one private equity investor who specialises in energy"
    https://www.ft.com/content/84e05c24-...e-1798a28f29c3


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    Ok, lets play the "lets pretend this was obama" and what you would be posting if that was the case;

    If this was obama...

    You

    would be asking:

    "why did obama go after another dictator- but will kiss the ass of putin and other dictators?"
    "why did obama order the boats attacked/destroyed- which were 1,000 miles away and the gas tanks in those boats wont get anywhere near 1000 miles before they need a fill up"
    "why didnt obama just order the proper units to arrest these narco traffickers and prosecute them and make an example of them to make sure other drug criminals knew they were going to be caught too?"
    "why did obama pardon another drug kingpin who had already been given due process and CONVICTED in us courts of law- yet is somehow using the drug issue as a reason for kidnapping maduro?"
    "why is obama saying he wants the oil of venezuela for himself and his oil corporate donors and why is obama not lynched from the white house tree yet?"

    "why is obama allowed to steal billions in crypto scams and stock mkt manipulations and why is he not in prison?"

    "why is obama on the pictures of epsteins victim at epsteins house and why did obama never report to the fbi that epstein had molested girls that epstein took from obama's child ring spa?" (and why is obama not lynched for this too?)

    "why is obama not releasing the epstein files since his best friend of decades was the biggest pedophile on the planet - what is obama hiding?"


    but since it is the white criminal - these are not questions that concern you now....
    First of all, I'm dubious Obama would have done any of those things but, if he somehow grew a pair and decided to rid the Western Hemisphere of the dictatorial junta in Venezuela, I would have applauded him. But, he didn't. Neither did Biden. So, what's your point?

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    First of all, I'm dubious Obama would have done any of those things but, if he somehow grew a pair and decided to rid the Western Hemisphere of the dictatorial junta in Venezuela, I would have applauded him. But, he didn't. Neither did Biden. So, what's your point?
    The dictatorial junta is still in power.

    you seriously don't know anything.

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    does not respect the people's representatives if they disagree with him



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    does not respect the people's representatives if they disagree with him
    Meh, it's his opinion. If he's the Dictator people claim he is, why would he care?

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    yoni is a bootlick

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    Venezuela releases political prisoners under pressure from Trump administration
    Like I said, what the new President of Venezuela says at the microphone, in public, bears little resemblance to what is happening in real life.

    It's early but, as long as sanctions remain, Venezuela is quarantined, and their oil is under the control of the United States, Venezuela will be forced to move back towards legitimacy - until it is impossible for them to fall back into the depotism, under which they've lived for the past quarter century.

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    You love despots.

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    does not respect the people's representatives if they disagree with him
    You know who he really doesn't respect? Communist Dictators...

    Rumor has it, this strike was made while Maduro and his wife were watching from the helicopter taking them out of the country. :::chef's kiss:::



    This is funny...


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    You know who he really doesn't respect? Communist Dictators...

    Rumor has it, this strike was made while Maduro and his wife were watching from the helicopter taking them out of the country. :::chef's kiss:::



    This is funny...

    Lo ing L

    Straight up orange man gangster

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    So you guys don't care about spending after all.

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    Is this what the US running Venezuela looks like?

    Venezuela too dangerous for Americans to visit?



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    It's been a ing week, Winehole. Jeeze...

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    Boots will be on the ground.

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    US warns Americans to leave Venezuela immediately as armed militias set up roadblocks

    The U.S. government issued a new security alert Saturday urging Americans in Venezuela to leave the country immediately, citing security concerns and the U.S. government’s inability to provide emergency assistance, according to the U.S. Embassy Caracas.

    "U.S. citizens in Venezuela should leave the country immediately," the embassy said in a Jan. 10 security alert.

    The warning cited reports of armed groups operating on Venezuelan roads.

    "There are reports of groups of armed militias, known as ‘colectivos,’ setting up roadblocks and searching vehicles for evidence of U.S. citizenship or support for the United States," the U.S. Embassy Caracas said.

    The alert comes as international travel options have reopened.

    "As international flights have resumed, U.S. citizens in Venezuela should leave the country immediately," the embassy said.

    ...
    https://www.foxnews.com/world/us-war...-up-roadblocks

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    All according to Trump's plan, right yoni?

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    It's been a ing week, Winehole. Jeeze...
    "we're running things now"

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    Exxon CEO: "uninvestable"

    US President Donald Trump has asked for at least $100bn (£75bn) in oil industry spending for Venezuela, but received a lukewarm response at the White House as one executive warned the South American country was currently "uninvestable".


    Bosses of the biggest US oil firms who attended the meeting acknowledged that Venezuela, sitting on vast energy reserves, represented an enticing opportunity.


    But they said significant changes would be needed to make the region an attractive investment. No major financial commitments were immediately forthcoming.


    Trump has said he will unleash the South American nation's oil after US forces seized its leader Nicolas Maduro in a 3 January raid on its capital.



    "One of the things the United States gets out of this will be even lower energy prices," Trump said in Friday's meeting at the White House.


    But the oil bosses present expressed caution.


    Exxon's chief executive Darren Woods said: "We have had our assets seized there twice and so you can imagine to re-enter a third time would require some pretty significant changes from what we've historically seen and what is currently the state."


    "Today it's uninvestable."
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c205dx61x76o

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    I suggest you go watch the entire video, if you can find it on the mainstream media. I just did a cursory Google (I'll harder, later) and all the video clips are under headlines that parrot your characterization that Darren Woods simply said "Venezuela is uninvestible." He said a lot more. 1) He wants to go back to Venezuela, and 2) He's already assembled a technical team to go in and assess what needs to be done, as soon as it's safe to do so. Yes, he has understandable concerns about security guarantees that go beyond the current situation and into a long term political environment that is less likely to devolve into the cir stances that resulted in previous losses but, he's hopeful. It was a good speech. I took away from it that he is confident THIS administration -- if any -- would be able to work with Venezuela to create such an environment.

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    Nope, that wasn't it.

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    The main takeaway is that the oil companies that lost when Venezuela nationalized the oil industry twice won't be paid back.

    Why would any oil company want to go through that again?

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    I'm having trouble finding a video of his complete remarks so, I grabbed them from Exxon Mobil's website...

    Thank you, Mr. President, I appreciate the invitation and the opportunity for the entire industry to show up and provide perspective.

    Frankly, we’ve been kind of unresponsive to the press regarding Venezuela. I guess today’s the opportunity to address the press directly with respect to a number of questions that have been asked of ExxonMobil.

    First and foremost, obviously, is the interest that we have in Venezuela. I think one of the reasons why we see many industry players here is we’re in a depletion business for a product that is in great demand and will be in demand for many, many, many decades to come.

    As a depletion business, the biggest challenge we have is finding resources. There’s an opportunity in Venezuela with all the resources there. We don’t have that challenge of finding; we have the challenge of developing those resources. So I think it’s in the best interest of these companies and, frankly, society as a whole for the industry to be interested in understanding what the opportunity here represents.

    I’ll just share a philosophy that ExxonMobil has when we enter countries — because we do business all around the world, in a number of different regimes — we take a very long-term perspective. The investments that we make span decades and decades. So, we do not go into any opportunity with a short-term mindset.

    There’s a value proposition that we have to meet. It has to be a win-win-win proposition:

    a win for the company and our shareholders, generating a return for the investments that we make;

    a win for the government — the resources are an important source of revenue that help support the people of the places that we do business;

    and a win for the people — we have to be wanted there and be a good neighbor.

    With respect to Venezuela in particular, we have a very long history in Venezuela. In fact, we first got into Venezuela back in the 1940s. We’ve had our assets seized there twice. And so, you can imagine to re-enter a third time would require some pretty significant changes from what we've historically seen here and what is currently the state.

    If we look at the legal and commercial constructs — frameworks — in place today in Venezuela, today it’s uninvestable. And so significant changes have to be made to those commercial frameworks, the legal system, there has to be durable investment protections, and there has to be a change to the hydrocarbon laws in the country.

    We’re confident that with this administration and President Trump working hand-in-hand with the Venezuelan government that those changes can be put in place. And with respect to the Venezuelan government — that perspective — we don’t have a view on. We haven’t talked to the Venezuelan government, and obviously we have yet to assess the people’s perspective with respect to ExxonMobil entering the country.

    In the short term, there are things that can be done while these longer-term issues are being worked. For us, we haven’t been in the country for almost 20 years. We think it’s absolutely critical in the short term that we get a technical team in place to assess the current state of the industry and the assets to understand what would be involved to help the people of Venezuela get production back on the market.

    With the invitation of the Venezuelan government and with appropriate security guarantees, we are ready to put a team on the ground there. We also have an integrated set of capabilities — from production to refining to trading — and I think we can be of assistance to getting Venezuelan crude to market and realizing market price to help again with the financial situation in Venezuela.

    So that’s the short-term perspective that I have. Thank you, Mr. President, for the work that you’ve done to secure not only the national security, but the energy security of the region. And thank you Secretary Rubio, Secretary Wright, Secretary Burgum, for your leadership in this matter. Thank you.
    Key Points from Woods’s Full Remarks

    ✔ He clearly states Venezuela is “uninvestable” today under current legal and commercial conditions.
    ✔ He explains Exxon’s long-term investment philosophy and what it would take to consider re-entry.
    ✔ He notes that Exxon is prepared to send a technical team to assess assets if certain security and legal conditions are met.
    ✔ His message is cautiously optimistic about opportunity, not dismissive — contingent on changes, not a flat rejection.

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    Key point: We need to get paid for the preceding seizures and get to rewrite the Venezuelan cons ution so it doesn't happen again. Otherwise go yourself, dip .

    IOW, build me a nation I can plunder.

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