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LCS Mine Countermeasures (MCM) Package: The LCS MCM mission package, which includes unmanned systems like the Knifefish UUV for detection and the Unmanned Influence Sweep System (UISS) for triggering mines, achieved Initial Operational Capability (IOC) in March 2023. However, operational testing has revealed significant shortcomings.
Slow Clearance Rates: Even under ideal conditions, the system clears mines at a rate of only 1–2 mines per hour, far below the Navy’s requirements. This is due to the time-intensive process of detecting, verifying, and neutralizing each mine individually.
Poor Reliability: A 2023 Pentagon report found the UISS’s operational availability was just 0.29, well below the required threshold, indicating frequent system failures.
Conceptual Flaws: Experts argue the entire approach—using small, remote systems to clear mines one-by-one—is too slow for combat use, especially when facing large minefields. The LCS is not designed to conduct sustained, high-volume mine sweeping.
Navy's Shift: The Navy has acknowledged these limitations. While the LCS is being used for mine warfare, the service is also pursuing non-LCS platforms for MCM, including repurposed amphibious ships and Joint High-Speed Vessels, to avoid relying on a flawed system.
In summary, while the LCS MCM capability represents a technological shift toward unmanned, standoff operations, it is not currently effective for large-scale or combat-relevant mine clearance. The Navy is actively working to address these shortcomings through new systems and platforms.
He's just here to try to win ridiculous internet battles. Nothing of substance. No opinions of his own. Ever.
another TSA riposte collapses on the starting line
Have we considered asking AI to clear the mines for us?
what happens if Turkey invokes Article 5?
NATO INTERCEPTS THIRD MISSILE TARGETING TURKEY SINCE MARCH 4
Last edited by Winehole23; 03-13-2026 at 01:33 PM.
we're gonna have to fight to reopen the strait, presuming the threat can be meaningfully reduced beforehand. by then, worldwide economic chaos lasting for months will not be avoidable. it may not be avoidable right now.
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/us-...uG0ptP6axl6yl7The Pentagon is weighing sending additional warships to the Middle East in preparation to escort oil tankers through the Strait of Hormuz, as Iran steps up its attacks on the strategic waterway, according to two U.S. officials.
Even with the additional warships, U.S. forces wouldn’t begin escorting vessels until the threat from Iran is reduced, U.S. officials said. That could take up to a month or more, even as U.S. military strikes continue to target Tehran’s arsenal of missiles and drones.
Hopefully the helicopters and drones will help out the "Little Crappy Ships"-- I'm just waiting for the ST Trump s to voice actual support for Trump's starting this war in the first place.
they're sweating it, as they should
prompting ChatGPT for a desired rebuttal
I can do the same.
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Despite the criticisms, the mine-countermeasure (MCM) capability built around Littoral Combat Ships does have several important advantages compared with older minesweeping ships like the Avenger-class mine countermeasures ship. The concept focuses on remote, unmanned mine warfare, which changes how mines are detected and cleared.
1. Keeps sailors farther away from mines
One of the biggest improvements is standoff distance.
Traditional minesweepers often had to operate inside the minefield. With the LCS system:
Unmanned surface vehicles tow sonar.
Helicopters deploy neutralizers.
Unmanned underwater vehicles inspect mines.
The main ship (like USS Independence (LCS‑2) or USS Freedom (LCS‑1)) can remain miles away from the danger zone, reducing risk to the crew.
2. Much faster mine search capability
The LCS MCM package can search much larger areas faster than traditional minesweepers because it uses multiple systems at once:
Helicopter-based laser detection
Towed sonar on unmanned surface vehicles
Autonomous underwater vehicles
Using several systems simultaneously speeds up the detect → classify → neutralize process.
3. Helicopter-based mine hunting
A key advantage is the use of the mine warfare helicopter MH-60S Seahawk.
The helicopter can deploy systems like:
Airborne Laser Mine Detection System (ALMDS)
Airborne Mine Neutralization System (AMNS)
This allows mines to be detected and destroyed from the air, which is far quicker than slow ship-based sweeping.
4. Modular and upgradable systems
The MCM capability comes from the Mine Countermeasures Mission Package, not the ship itself.
That means systems can be upgraded over time without replacing the ship, which is different from older dedicated minesweepers whose equipment was permanently installed.
The mission package is designed for ships like:
Freedom-class littoral combat ship
Independence-class littoral combat ship
5. Better endurance and deployment range
Compared with older minesweepers:
LCS ships are larger and faster
They have longer operational range
They can deploy globally with carrier groups or expeditionary forces.
For example, the U.S. has deployed LCS MCM ships to the Middle East to replace aging Avenger ships.
6. Lower magnetic and acoustic risk to the main ship
Mines often trigger on magnetic or acoustic signatures of ships.
Because LCS relies on unmanned vehicles to do the sweeping, the main ship’s signature matters less—another safety improvement.
✅ Summary of the main advantages
Safer: crew stays farther from mines
Faster area search using multiple systems
Airborne mine hunting with helicopters
Upgradable modular equipment
Better endurance and deployment range
Reduced risk to the main ship
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I'm going to trust that the most powerful and technologically advanced Navy in the world knew what they were doing when deploying this mission fleet that had been developed for over 20 years. The three stooges would rather send in more sailors on 40 year old wooden boats.
No, I've clearly stated I come back here every now and again to laugh at the 3 of you losers still clinging on to this dead website while circlejerking in your 3 man echo chamber.
Lol "grok remove the mines from this photo"
I'll accept that you're avoiding this place because people laugh at how wrong you almost always are about almost everything.
I'll accept that you're avoiding this place because people laugh at how wrong you almost always are about almost everything.
I'd rather not send anyone at all. Are you for or against this war? Watch as everyone here laughs at you for your sycophant non- response.
I can do the same.
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Despite the criticisms, the mine-countermeasure (MCM) capability built around Littoral Combat Ships does have several important advantages compared with older minesweeping ships like the Avenger-class mine countermeasures ship. The concept focuses on remote, unmanned mine warfare, which changes how mines are detected and cleared.
1. Keeps sailors farther away from mines
One of the biggest improvements is standoff distance.
Traditional minesweepers often had to operate inside the minefield. With the LCS system:
Unmanned surface vehicles tow sonar.
Helicopters deploy neutralizers.
Unmanned underwater vehicles inspect mines.
The main ship (like USS Independence (LCS‑2) or USS Freedom (LCS‑1)) can remain miles away from the danger zone, reducing risk to the crew.
2. Much faster mine search capability
The LCS MCM package can search much larger areas faster than traditional minesweepers because it uses multiple systems at once:
Helicopter-based laser detection
Towed sonar on unmanned surface vehicles
Autonomous underwater vehicles
Using several systems simultaneously speeds up the detect → classify → neutralize process.
3. Helicopter-based mine hunting
A key advantage is the use of the mine warfare helicopter MH-60S Seahawk.
The helicopter can deploy systems like:
Airborne Laser Mine Detection System (ALMDS)
Airborne Mine Neutralization System (AMNS)
This allows mines to be detected and destroyed from the air, which is far quicker than slow ship-based sweeping.
4. Modular and upgradable systems
The MCM capability comes from the Mine Countermeasures Mission Package, not the ship itself.
That means systems can be upgraded over time without replacing the ship, which is different from older dedicated minesweepers whose equipment was permanently installed.
The mission package is designed for ships like:
Freedom-class littoral combat ship
Independence-class littoral combat ship
5. Better endurance and deployment range
Compared with older minesweepers:
LCS ships are larger and faster
They have longer operational range
They can deploy globally with carrier groups or expeditionary forces.
For example, the U.S. has deployed LCS MCM ships to the Middle East to replace aging Avenger ships.
6. Lower magnetic and acoustic risk to the main ship
Mines often trigger on magnetic or acoustic signatures of ships.
Because LCS relies on unmanned vehicles to do the sweeping, the main ship’s signature matters less—another safety improvement.
✅ Summary of the main advantages
Safer: crew stays farther from mines
Faster area search using multiple systems
Airborne mine hunting with helicopters
Upgradable modular equipment
Better endurance and deployment range
Reduced risk to the main ship
================
I'm going to trust that the most powerful and technologically advanced Navy in the world knew what they were doing when deploying this mission fleet that had been developed for over 20 years. The three stooges would rather send in more sailors on 40 year old wooden boats.
tsa. Pathetic.
Are you personally in favor of your Trump's new war with Iran?
Yes or no.
Last edited by ChumpDumper; 03-13-2026 at 05:26 PM.
Here's an actual source: those commie pinkos from....
I can do the same.
[lazy bull ]
I'm going to trust that the most powerful and technologically advanced Navy in the world knew what they were doing when deploying this mission fleet that had been developed for over 20 years. The three stooges would rather send in more sailors on 40 year old wooden boats.
The US Naval Ins ute.
Initially set for an initial operational capability in 2015, the MCM package went through a development process punctuated by stops and program failures. For example, the first craft that would tow the AQS-20 sonar to hunt the bulk of mines suffered reliability problems and was scrapped. The service also canceled a plan for the MH-60S to tow the AQS-20. After years of program changes, the package has coalesced around a few core main systems, Taylor said.
From the embarked MH-60, the AN/AES-1 Airborne Laser Mine Detection System uses lasers to detect mines closer to the surface. Once detected, the helicopter can deploy the AN/ASQ-235 Airborne Mine Neutralization System that lowers a torpedo-sized tube that carries expendable destructor vehicles to neutralize a mine.
https://news.usni.org/2025/03/18/nav...sures-packages
It's been a show, TSA.
I understand you're incredibly gullible but even you can't explicitly support Trump's new war in the middle east, apparently.
TSA's got a little bit of spirit
That more than I can say for most of the lurking and erstwhile right-wing posters in this subforum these days
don't know if it's strictly true the US hasn't targeted infrastructure in Iran
"military targets" on Kharg were "obliterated" today, according to Trump
hope the oil depot is ok
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...israel-bombers“We may see the $120 a barrel price we saw on Monday heading to the $150 if Kharg were attacked,” said Neil Quilliam, with the Chatham House thinktank. “It’s too vital for global energy markets”.
Although the US has struck 5,000 targets in and around Iran, it has so far refrained from bombing the country’s oil infrastructure – though oil prices remain nearly $20 per barrel higher because the fear of Iranian retaliation has in effect closed the strait of Hormuz to tanker traffic.
dp
Last edited by Winehole23; 03-13-2026 at 09:27 PM.
with his barbaric pogrom against nonwhites and foreigners in the USA and stuff like this just starting to happen, I don't see how Trump doesn't end up being the principal villain of the 21st century
https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/east-...gy-crunch-hitsThe South Asian nation of 170 million people has started fuel rationing, sent students home and scrapped celebratory light displays over the energy crunch.
One man was killed on Saturday night in the southern Bangladeshi district of Jhenaidah after an altercation over refuelling with staff.
Following the 25-year-old’s death, angry crowds torched three buses and vandalised a petrol station, police said.
On Tuesday, queues stretched for 1.5km (nearly one mile) through Dhaka’s city centre.
“My boss left the car here and took a rickshaw to reach his destination,” said Kamrul Hasan, who was waiting in a vehicle almost at the end of the queue.
Petrol station worker Akhtar Hossain said he had not stopped for hours.
“Even during the Gulf War, we didn’t experience this sort of rush,” Hossain said.
Last edited by Winehole23; 03-13-2026 at 09:47 PM.
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