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    Germany’s Defence Minister Boris Pistorius:

    “What does Trump expect a handful of European frigates to do that the powerful US Navy cannot?


    This is not our war, and we did not start it.”


    Donald Trump continues to be humiliated on the world stage.
    https://x.com/sahouraxo/status/20335...J518QWnxG7pQDg

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    You think this is a show…

    just wait to see what dementia donvict has in store for cuba!

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    TWZ on the minesweepers

    Moving U.S. warships out of port in Bahrain ahead of the current conflict was a prudent security measure. The Gulf state is well within range of Iranian missiles and long-range kamikaze drones, and U.S. military facilities in Manama did subsequently come under attack. The U.S. military’s own strikes on Iranian naval vessels in porthave underscored the vulnerability of ships sitting pierside.


    Why the decision was made to then send the USS Tulsa and USS Santa Barbara thousands of miles to the east is unknown. A host of factors may have come into play, including the availability of suitable friendly ports and diplomatic considerations.


    Regardless, at least two-thirds of the warships intended to be available for tasking for mine countermeasures missions in the Middle East are presently in a completely different part of the world. As noted, USS Tulsa, USS Santa Barbara, and USS Canberra, were forward-deployed to the region in the first place explicitly to fill gaps left by the decommissioning of four Avenger class mine hunters last year. The former USS Devastator, USS Dextrous, USS Gladiator, and USS Sentry left the region for good aboard a heavy lift ship in January. There are only four Avenger class ships left in active Navy service, all of which are forward-deployed in Japan, and are also slated to be decommissioned in the coming years.
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    Lastly, and perhaps most importantly, one of the briefing slides noted that “LCS was designed as a multi-mission platform” and “all of these other missions reduce time for the ship and Minemen to gain proficiency in MCM [mine countermeasures].” To reiterate, the Avenger class ships were purpose-built for this mission set and had crews trained to match. Mine-clearing operations are slow and complex, and carry significant risks, even when carried out by experienced personnel in benign environments.
    As it stands now, U.S. officials have said that American warships are unlikely to begin escorting commercial vessels through the Strait of Hormuz for at least some number of weeks. Convoy operations carry their own risks and will require a host of supporting assets at sea and in other domains, as TWZ has previously explained. Limited availability of mine countermeasures assets would create additional challenges.


    It remains to be seen how long the USS Tulsa and USS Santa Barbara will remain in Malaysia, and where they might sail after they depart. Where USS Canberra is currently is still unknown, as is whether any additional mine countermeasures configured ships are on the way to the Middle East.


    For the moment, at least, a substantial portion of the Navy’s minesweeping capacity in the region, amid a major conflict with an opponent experienced in mine warfare, is now thousands of miles away in a completely different part of the world.

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    U.S. Navy Commander Joe Hontz, a spokesperson for NAVCENT, has provided TWZ with the following statement:


    Tulsa and Santa Barbara are conducting brief logistical stops in Malaysia. U.S. forces routinely make port calls in Malaysia as part of our operations, reflecting the close and enduring military cooperation between the United States and Malaysia.”

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    don't even ask about the plumbing




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    just amazing how wrong TSA is.

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    just amazing how wrong TSA is.

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    "the real economy is going to be fine, consumers are the last of our concern"





    If the war were to be extended, it wouldn't really disrupt the US economy very much at all. It would hurt consumers, and we'd have to think about what we'd have to do about that, but that's really the last of our concerns right now.

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    there's precedent for prosecuting wars of aggression as crimes against humanity

    Count Two: Waging Aggressive War, or "Crimes Against Peace"

    Including “the planning, preparation, initiation, and waging of wars of aggression, which were also wars in violation of international treaties, agreements, and assurances.”
    https://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projec...dictments.html

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    The rejection of Trump’s pleas for help confirm US isolation as its unprovoked, illegal war against Iran is already set to impose massive costs on the world, even if it were to stop now

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    (this is anecdotal, but I hear Costco is changing its gas prices twice daily)

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    escalation trap

    Now, more than two weeks into the campaign, some of those allies believe the president no longer controls how, or when, the war ends. They fear Iran’s attacks on oil tankers in the Strait of Hormuz, which have rattled global crude markets and threaten broader economic distress, are boxing Trump into a situation where escalating the conflict — potentially even putting American boots on the ground — becomes the only way to credibly claim victory.









    “We clearly just kicked [Iran’s] ass in the field, but, to a large extent, they hold the cards now,” said one person close to the White House, who like others in this story was granted anonymity to speak candidly about the war. “They decide how long we’re involved — and they decide if we put boots on the ground. And it doesn’t seem to me that there’s a way around that, if we want to save face.”
    https://www.politico.com/news/2026/0...ntrol-00830449

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    ~8.5 million barrels a day lost



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    National Counterterrorism Chair and far right crank Joe Kent, resigns over the Iran War



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    he’s a notorious antisemite and white supremacist who is blaming Jews to get out of a real job that’s quite difficult right now as we increasingly explode the world and create the conditions for terrorism.

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    in Gulf War 2, we crafted a decent sounding lie to tell the world, prepositioned US forces and got other countries on board before we attacked

    this is just handwaving



    Mike Johnson: "We all understood there was clearly an imminent threat that Iran was very close to the enrichment of nuclear capability ... I don't know where Joe Kent is getting his information ... the president felt he had to strike first to prevent mass casualties"

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    one way to avoid an outcome like this would've been not to attack Iran

    ceasefire and negotiation might be another

    https://sherwood.news/markets/iran-s...fic-us-escort/

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    Israel assassinated two top Iranian officialsin separate strikes Tuesday, Israeli Defense Minister Israel Katz said: national security chief Ali Larijani and Basij paramilitary commander Gholamreza Soleimani.
    https://www.axios.com/2026/03/17/isr...jani-soleimani

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    They’re telling me a great empire will be destroyed if I attack Persia. Even the oracles who don’t like me very much, very nasty, they all said to me, “Sir, it’s one of the great empires, and it’ll be destroyed. And all because you attacked Persia.” That’s what they’re telling me.
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    <60 seconds apart
    *TRUMP: CONFIDENT MACRON WILL HELP WITH STRAIT

    *TRUMP ON HORMUZ HELP: MY AT UDE IS WE DON'T NEED ANYBODY

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    update: *
    MACRON: FRANCE WON'T JOIN OPS TO FREE HORMUZ IN CURRENT CONTEXT

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