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    reported help from China and Russia

    we're up to two proxy wars with Russia and now one with China

    In Russia’s case, U.S. intelligence reports now indicate that Moscow is actively providing real-time satellite feeds and intelligence tracking on U.S. targets to Iran. This data on American warships and aircraft movements has enabled Iran to conduct far more precise retaliatory missile strikes. Moscow has also integrated its GLONASS satellite navigation system into Iranian drones, according to the same sources, allowing Tehran’s long-range projectiles to bypass allied electronic jamming more effectively. Widening out the loop even further, Iran’s newest drones and missiles also benefit from being able to track Chinese BeiDou-3 systems at the same time as Russia’s GLONASS. By merging Russia’s Ukraine-era upgrades with China’s tech, standard Western jamming systems cannot block both at once, as each system operates on entirely different radio frequencies. This gives the new drones that Iran is using against the U.S. unprecedented precision against its bases, as well as those of its allies.


    In China’s case, news emerged last week from various intelligence sources that Iran is acquiring up to 400 Chinese-made Man-Portable Air-Defence Systems (MANPADS). These are highly accurate against helicopters, drones, and low-flying jets, utilising sensitive infrared and ultraviolet seekers that lock directly onto the heat signature of an aircraft’s engine, and are immune to countermeasures. They are also easy to deploy, weighing only between 15 and 20 kilograms, and basic operational training for a MANPADS launcher can be completed in less than a week. They are also impossible to locate, emitting zero electronic signature while tracking. In short, they aim to try to deny the U.S. low-al ude air superiority.
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    magazine depth could bite us on the ass

    The U.S. Army has used up much of its stockpile of highly accurate long-range missiles during its five-month war with Iran, according to three people familiar ⁠with the data, raising concerns about the military’s readiness for future conflicts.The missiles are principally the Army’s surface-to-surface weapons, known as Army Tactical Missile Systems (ATACMS) and Precision Strike Missiles (PrSM). The U.S. has used “virtually all” of these weapons, according to two of the sources.




    The degree to which the ​military is running out of ATACMS and Precision Strike Missiles has not ​been previously reported. The long-range munitions are an important part ​the military’s arsenal, allowing accurate strikes from a safe distance. U.S.-supplied ATACMS have played a key role in the war in Ukraine, allowing Ukrainian forces to attack targets inside Russia. The PrSM is a newer, more advanced generation that will replace the ATACMS, which have a shorter range.


    Analysts say such weapons – which cost over $1 million each – would also be important in any conflict with China.
    The sources declined to say how many of each munition the U.S. had left.


    President Donald Trump launched the ⁠Iran war #jointly with Israel in February, predicting that the conflict would last a short time.
    But as the war drags on, the ⁠three people familiar with the matter expressed worry that the falling missile supplies could limit the U.S. ability to deter adversaries, including Russia and China.




    A fourth person familiar with the matter said that while Central Command — which oversees U.S. forces in the Middle East — has nearly used up the land-based missiles it had before the war began, it has been able to reload from U.S. military supplies elsewhere in the world.
    https://www.cnbc.com/2026/08/04/us-h...es-report.html

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    if this is the Iran-controlled route with a service fee, this would be Trump attempted surrender 2.0

    U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio:

    There has been progress in talks to reopen the Strait of Hormuz, but no final agreement has been reached yet.

    We are hopeful that an agreement will be finalized very shortly.

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    U.S. has used ‘virtually all’ of its long-range precision missiles during Iran war: Reuters

    The U.S. Army has used up much of its stockpile of highly accurate long-range missiles during its five-month war with Iran, according to three people familiar ⁠with the data, raising concerns about the military’s readiness for future conflicts.

    The missiles are principally the Army’s surface-to-surface weapons, known as Army Tactical Missile Systems (ATACMS) and Precision Strike Missiles (PrSM). The U.S. has used “virtually all” of these weapons, according to two of the sources.

    The degree to which the ​military is running out of ATACMS and Precision Strike Missiles has not ​been previously reported. The long-range munitions are an important part ​the military’s arsenal, allowing accurate strikes from a safe distance. U.S.-supplied ATACMS have played a key role in the war in Ukraine, allowing Ukrainian forces to attack targets inside Russia. The PrSM is a newer, more advanced generation that will replace the ATACMS, which have a shorter range.

    Analysts say such weapons – which cost over $1 million each – would also be important in any conflict with China.

    The sources declined to say how many of each munition the U.S. had left.

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    One of the sources said the drawdown of the #ATACMS and PrSM stockpiles reflected a decision by the Trump administration to avoid riskier ways of attacking Iranian targets, such as by using piloted aircraft to drop bombs.

    Because these weapons allow the military to attack targets from a distance, analysts say they would be valuable in a war against an adversary with strong air defenses, such as China. They have been used to strike targets inside Iran, according to a March report by the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS).

    According to the report, PrSM stockpiles were low to start with, since ⁠it is a relatively new munition, but the U.S. military has ordered a large number of them for 2027. The Army has said that ATACMS are being phased out and that production ⁠is shifting to the newer PrSM missiles.

    Military leaders have for weeks warned the president that stockpiles of defensive weapons — including Patriot interceptors, which are effective against ballistic missiles — were dwindling, said two of ⁠the sources. Last week, several media outlets reported Trump had decided not to launch another massive offensive inside Iran in part because his military advisers had warned about the U.S. stockpile.

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    Last week, CSIS published a report estimating that between February and July about 65% of Patriot interceptors had been expended and that the number of THAAD ballistic missile interceptors in U.S. stockpiles was at least 38% lower than at the start of the war. Patriots and THAADs are systems that detect and destroy incoming missiles and are among the most effective in the country’s arsenal.

    While Reuters has not seen the supply figures, those numbers match internal U.S. data, two of the sources said.

    The U.S. also burned through a little less than half of its global supply of Tomahawk cruise missiles, which are generally launched from ships, since the start of the war, one of the sources said.
    https://www.cnbc.com/2026/08/04/us-h...es-report.html

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    The only idiots that couldn't see that coming were Trump and his maga minions

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    Honestly, that's a little surprising that we didn't have more stockpiled.

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    counterterrorism designations lifted

    https://ofac.treasury.gov/recent-actions/20260805

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    strategic failure for Trump and the USA if he agrees to it

    Reuters:

    Iran wants fees of 5%-7% of the price of cargo from ships using the strait; Oman wants 3%.

    "Making fees voluntary, at least nominally, could be a way out of the impasse, although an implied threat of Iranian attacks could mean shippers would be ​unlikely to risk transit without paying."

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    Went from completely free to now Iran reverse tariffing the U.S.

    250th birthday D chess

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    Went from completely free to now Iran reverse tariffing the U.S.

    250th birthday D chess
    we'll see, Trump isn't agreement capable

    he can't bear the humiliation of losing, nor the cost of winning

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    we'll see, Trump isn't agreement capable

    he can't bear the humiliation of losing, nor the cost of winning
    Might not even be up to him if Iran decides to use forces to patrol the waters collecting fees. Trump would only decide after that how much military we'll keep using to fight them off.

    And lol at Trump saying we'd be charging 20% fees 3 weeks ago.
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    Might not even be up to him if Iran decides to use forces to patrol the waters collecting fees. Trump would only decide after that how much military we'll keep using to fight them off.
    Iran is threatening to wreck refineries and desalinization plants in GCC countries if the US continues to attack. It's not an idle threat. Worldwide recession and massive refugee flows would likely result.

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    Might not even be up to him if Iran decides to use forces to patrol the waters collecting fees. Trump would only decide after that how much military we'll keep using to fight them off.

    And lol at Trump saying we'd be charging 20% fees 3 weeks ago.
    Iran sure remembers the 20%

    The Iranian state news agency Fars on Thursday published the text of what it described as an "initial draft of the strategic plan for managing Strait of Hormuz."

    Under the apparent draft plan, Iran would ban U.S. and Israeli ships from transiting the strait. Other nations that have harmed Iran would not be allowed to transit until compensation is paid, according to the draft. Tehran will impose penalties on violators equivalent to 20% of the value of cargo aboard a ship....
    https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2026/08/06/...oman-deal.html

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    Went from completely free to now Iran reverse tariffing the U.S.

    250th birthday D chess
    Our military bases are too close to Iran now that we've lost the tempo of violent action and compromised our bases (and the GCC countries we are protecting) due to depletion of magazine depth and political intolerance of US casualties. Moving them to Tel Aviv puts the crosshairs on Israel, a fact not lost on Israelis.

    Quite the pickle.

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    The war continues to widen.

    Iran recently attacked Iraqi Kurdistan with drones and the houthis attacked government military camps in Yemen, after bombing eight Saudi tankers in the Red Sea.

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    Trump ed it all up by attacking those ers when he really didn't need to, and Iran had given us no cause to

    We're all worse off for it for the foreseeable future
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    Trump ed it all up by attacking those ers when he really didn't need to, and Iran had given us no cause to

    We're all worse off for it for the foreseeable future
    He thought Iran was just a backwards little terrorist country that we could bully for an easy political victory and to help us forget about Epstein

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    He thought Iran was just a backwards little terrorist country that we could bully for an easy political victory and to help us forget about Epstein
    they've been preparing for this for 8 years

    Trump attacked on a whim

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    will Trump protect Saudi Arabia from Houthi and Iraqi militias?

    “Saudi, U.S. and other countries' intelligence found that Houthi and Iraqi militias under the supervision of Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps could soon ​launch coordinated attacks on Saudi civilian sites including energy infrastructure, ports and airports.”
    https://www.reuters.com/world/middle...ys-2026-08-06/

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    lord knows Saudi Arabia has bribed Trump robustly enough to do so, should he so choose

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    but maybe, Pakistan enters here

    Pakistan does have a recent defense pact with the KSA

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    maybe Pakistan -- a nuclear power -- has a significant part to play in a widening regional war

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    but maybe, Pakistan enters here

    Pakistan does have a recent defense pact with the KSA
    Pakistan is currently engaged in a war with Taliban. Has issues in Kashmir, terrible economy and certainly doesn't want another front with Iran. Especially since weak Iran, opens up issues in Balochistan. So Pakistan will stay as far away from Iran as possible.

    If USA cannot protect the Saudis, they will turn to China. China already mediated a deal between Saudi and Iran previously.

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