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^ No, it doesn't. That's a nice warm thought but it's not true.
Then it is time to change again and it is already happening.
The Suns are not the Kings or Mavs, they are the 2007 Suns.
If the Suns don't win the le it won't be because of their style of play but because they weren't good enough.
It comes down to execution and effort regardless of style.
^ No, it doesn't. That's a nice warm thought but it's not true.
The Heat did to the mavs what the mavs did to the Suns last year. They adjusted to the speed of the game and always got back on defense making it more of a half court game. When teams are forced into a tempo they aren't used to they will struggle. If teams have equal records usually the team with the slower tempo has an advantage in a playoff series.
Very nice = mavsfan1000 law. Seriously, I think you're on to something there.
thats cool. i respect that man. i think i shall follow, considering i was the one who started this mess. ill just leave this topic alone, and we can debate again once the playoffs role around, and i will be sure to leave offensive language and such behind. how about that?"Boy, that escalated quickly. I mean, that really got out of hand fast."
- Ron Burgundy, "Anchorman"
What the has this thread devolved into?
Gracious... Don't you ignorant bas s know that name-calling is stupid?!
Now, if you don't mind, I'm going to back away from this mess that I helped create.
S-l-o-w-l-y... s-l-o-w-l-y... s-l-o-w-l-y... gone...
thank you. you too have a wonderful day, Mr. RonMexico. it was a pleasure debating with you. we will definitely have to debate again come playoff time, when we have a better picture of what these teams are going to be like, and when every game matters. peace out bro.dirk4mvp, let's never fight again... I'm sorry for all those things I said to you because this right here is the biggest asswipe on the entire message board.
And stretch, thanks again for offering nothing constructive to this argument. I always have said that the Suns' rebounding concerns me, but I have been encouraged by their defensive activity so far this year. I'm not going to waste anymore keystrokes on you for tonight.
By the way, your mom was great...
We actually agree on the Suns rebounding being an issue. I'm optimistic because they have plenty of players that could rebound if they applied themselves and such has been the case recently.
We know why we bickered initially, so I needn't rehash... I'm about as realistic a fan as there is, so when I say something is so, it's generally because it is such. I understand having differing opinions, and if we were having the same discussion about the Mavericks, I'd defer to Mavs fans... since they've seen more of their team than I. So, why would I expect anything less when we're discussing the Suns? I'm not sure there's another on this board who goes to the lengths I do to breakdown a team. Perhaps, but it requires a lot of time and effort, so when said time and effort is called into question with the belittling or ingoring of my informed and generally well-regarded opinions, I'll defend them to the hilt...
I've had many a quarrell on this site with many fan. I admit when I'm wrong without hesitation, so you needn't worry about that.
Again, my only qualm is how you spoke in absolutes when nothing in the NBA is guaranteed. Things change, injuries occur, trades are made, players develop... Now is not then, whether it be past or future...
That's all I'm saying.
Good luck, hopefully Dirk is healthy for the upcoming Suns game.
Would Melvin Ely help? If they can get him without trading Marion, Diaw or Thomas, than they add a legit PF/C who can board pretty well and block shots in limited minutes to a highly skilled, extremely athletic frontline that's offensively the most potent in the League...In the playoffs the teams that win 1) get back on defense and prevent transition points 2) crash the defensive boards and prevent 2nd chance points (that's why we lost to the Mavs last year) The Suns are 12th in the league in rebounds per game, but they are involved in games with lots of shots because they jack it up so early in the shot clock. They are 23rd in rebounding differential. In fact, they are the only team in the top 15 in total rebounds with a negative rebounding differential, except for the Kings. Rebounding differential is a funny stat. The top 5 in the league are 1.) Utah 2.) Cleveland 3.) Knicks (?, We should steal David Lee from Isaiah while there's still time) 4.) Houston 5.) Dallas. The Spurs are tied for 9th (definitely cause for concern). From what I can tell: You need to be + to be a winning team, unless you're Phoenix, but it's not necessarily true that the more + the better the winning%, but there is something to that.
Remember when Utah played Kirilenko at the 4 and Okur or whoever at the 5? Then they got Boozer and moved AK47 to the 3 and all of a sudden they're the fronline of the future (they're +7 in rebound differential. #2 is 4.4 I think. I don't want to face Utah in the playoffs). If the Suns could get anything close to a Boozer-type 5 for Marion and play him at the 5, Amare at the 4 and Diaw at the 3 then it will be Jazz-Suns out west. Once Duncan gets another ring or 2 and rides off into the sunset, of course.
Word is, they really want him. They wanted him in the offseason, had a sign-n-trade worked out, then pulled the plug because they wanted to see how James Jones would fit. He's been a disappointment so far, but much of it might be the sporatic minutes he's getting. He's worth more to an offensively challenged team like Charlotte, who happens to be sitting Ely at the moment.
Sounds like a trade that works for both and according to the East Valley Tribune, is a possibility.
no problem. like i said, i will wait till the end of the season to make my final judgement on the Suns, and then we can both discuss this with more facts and stats that are complete, rather than stats that will likely change thoughout the course of the season.
It is not true if you limit your perspective to the very recent past.
Fortunately not everyone suffers from your limitations.
Who has won a le with the Suns style of play in the last 25 years? The 80's Lakers ran alot, but I think they rebounded well. They also had a 6'9 point guard and Kareem Abdul Jabbar, so they're probably not a good comparison to this Suns team. Maybe one or more of those 70s championship teams ran alot and didn't play defense or rebound well, I don't know much about those teams. But, I'm pretty sure that the great teams in this era focus on defense more than the teams of the 70s did. I wonder if any NBA championship team has ever had a negative rebounding differential. I wouldn't think so.It is not true if you limit your perspective to the very recent past.
Fortunately not everyone suffers from your limitations.
anybody heard whether the Suns' charter plane will get out early after the Denver runways are opened?
To me, rebounding is more important than defense. If you simply contest shots, you'll force the other team to miss 45% of the time. If you can rebound largely every one of the misses, then you're in great shape.
However, last year for example, the Suns held opponants to 43% first-possession FG%. However, they gave up the most amount of offensive rebounds in the League. The result, middle of the pack defensive stats and an ouster to a better rebounding team.
Much of it stemmed from who was out for them, but as evidensed this year, not all of it did. They have potential to be a top-10 rebounding team, but for various reasons will likely max out around 14th-16th... If they do, it could cost them.
No. Only that the deadline for departure was around noon. Since noon has past, I assume that if they aren't in the air, then the game tonight is also grounded...
I wonder what the Suns rebounding differential is for this win streak.
I think the Suns early season stats are a little out of wack because of the horrible start. It will be interesting to see how good they can become over the course of the season.
I am not here to say the Suns should be favored to win it all but I think they have a chance.
As for today, per AZcentral, Suns are scheduled to arrive in Phoenix at 5:30 after a 4:00 departure from Colorado Springs.
The Suns only had a horrible start because they were playing good teams. Or perhaps it's just a coincidence that they are 0-5 against the other four top teams in the West?
Yes they played good teams but that is only half the story.
They held leads in all of those games but they weren't playing well enough to pull them out.
It is not like they were dominated by those teams despite the record.
Amare is the difference. Not that he's playing well, but that's he's playing period.
First five games, 15.6 minutes per game. Since, 31.2 minutes per game.
It's no coincidence that as soon as Amare was incorperated and chemistry (re)developed, that the Suns started to compete again.
Most definitely Amare is the difference. When I look at the teams, I look at head to head matchups and Matchups in general. I think the Suns have a chance to win a le, if things flow their way. Some teams do not matchup well with them. With the top 5 teams in the western conference, I see only an advantage against the Mavs and the Jazz for the Suns. Marion is still the PF and he can not guard Tim Duncan or Lamar Odom, that alone will create matchup problems for the Suns. The Spurs and Lakers will be able to utilize their size over the Suns. Marion has had success guarding Dirk in the past so he may be able to make him work. Don't know the history against Boozer (if there is any) but the Jazz are inexperienced and will probably pull a Grizzles act in the Playoffs.
Another thing the Suns have to worry about is burning out their starters. Nash is averaging more minutes this season than any of his previous seasons with the suns. He has a history of burning out at the end of the season. Older? More minutes? That's a recipe for disaster! Aside from Amare the others are averaging 30+ minutes a night.
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