LMFAO!
Suns just held the Mavs to 41% shooting:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=261228006
Stretch: WOOPS!
The Mavs finally saw the healthy Suns and won a game against them at home on a last second shot by Dirk. Better pray for HCA in the playoffs if these two teams meet. I like what I saw. Suns should have won, they just looked a little tense and made some bone-head plays. But I would put money on them in playoffs against Dork No-Trophy...don't forget he's notorious for choking in the playoffs.
good D or not vs the mavs the suns had a big lead in the 4th and blew it. They failed to score really in the last 5 minutes or so which is why i don't see them beating the mavs in a 7 game series. they don't get enough stops at the end of games vs the good teams and they also get shut down. rebounding is also a big problem. mavs had what? 7 offensive boards in the 4th or something like that.
AMEN!!!
I second the Amen.
41% seems pretty good. unfortunately, they still allowed the mavs to get a whopping 85 FGA's, and still score over 100 points... on 41% shooting. defense isnt all about percentages. you gotta be able to limit your opponents shot opportunities as well. look at all the best defenses around. sure, the Suns play a fast paced offense, which means more shots, but the Mavs still had 13 more shots than they did. and dont make an excuse that it was because of the turnovers, because the mavs only had 3 less turnovers.
either way, i dont care how much you argue about stats. all that matters is the win, and the Mavs won. it doesnt matter if you win by a point or 50 points, the final outcome is simply a win. nothing more, nothing less.
Yeah.
Take a look at the box score.
Dirk: 8-20
Howard: 8-17
Harris: 6-15
The Mavs need JET to be playing lights out just to win at home. Having Raja and Amare back allows Marion to concentrate fully on Dirk. Raja took Howard out of the game, and Dallas had NO ANSWER for Amare or Nash. They ran the pick and roll to perfection.....JET had a huge game and Dirk made a tough 20 footer over Marion for the win, but the Suns were able to run their game plan more efficiently (51% to 41%).
The Mavs are dependant on isolations (which didn't work well) and long jumpers from Dirk. They had a ton of offensive rebounds which saved them (they had 13 more shot attempts but only won by two). The Suns defense was outstanding.
Im pretty confident the Suns would handle the Mavs pretty easily in the playoffs.
I fixed it for you.
i will as soon as you stop trying to applaud the Suns for a string of good games against a bunch of nobodies
0-5 against the top three teams in the west...nothing to cheer about
IMO Diaw's sixth foul was the turning point in this game--he's usually the team's second ball-handler and playmaker down the stretch, and you could tell that players like Barbosa and Raja Bell were not comfortable handling the ball.
Nice shot by Dirk at the end, though.
Suns would handle the Mavs easily...lol...HAHAHA. What a dumb . Even most Suns homers would agree it's gonna be a battle and NO ONE is going to "handle" anyone. Love how you twist everything in the Suns favor. How about saying only Terry had a decent game and Stack was out yet the Mavs still won. Now be gone homer
I think a little too much is being made about this game...
A single shot decided the fate of the game, and the Suns would have had a strong chance of winning if Amare wasn't the one taking the last damn shot. The inbounder (Bell, I think) had a wide-open Nash to his left, but hesitated to pass it to him. That easily could have been the game-winner.
Like I said, the Mavs won because they had so many more shot attempts. That's a product of bad rebounding, not bad defense.
As far as I see it:
Offense: Suns > Mavs
Defense: Suns = Mavs
Rebounding: Mavs > Suns
If the Suns can pick up an able rebounder mid-season, that could be the difference. You guys can talk all you want about the Suns' "poor defense," but until you actually back it up with statistics, we as Suns fans can't take you seriously. The Mavs, after all, were up by 13 at two points during the game and ended up behind at the beginning of the 4th quarter.
HAHHA Suns D equal to the Mavs? You lose all credibility....nice try. Other than Bell and maybe Marion NONE of the Suns can play D. Nash and Amare are actually defensive liabilities. So sad homer...so sad indeed
Only thing I can cheer about is that they are beating the teams they should and therefore, have a good record in the most compe ive of the two conferences. They seem to have had their annual "blow it against" the tops in the West streak early, and (hopefully) will turn that around, rather than slumping at the end of the season.
That string of good games has revived their confidence and chemistry and I saw them playing much better against the Mavs on the road than they did earlier in the season at home. I don't see a 60-win season in their future, but I do think that they made some mental errors and missed Diaw more than anyone could have known down the stretch. One or two bounces this way or that and the Suns come out on top by two... who knows?
All I know is, they closed it out against the Pistons (sans Chauncey, of course) and that was satisfying. At least they didn't get demoralized and let another one get away from them on the road against an injured opponent. Still, they weathered a really good game from Rip and Flip (Murray), so that's ok. What I like about this team is it's character and resolve - i.e. not getting down after 1-5 start and not getting down because they lost a tough one to Dallas. And Amare sealed it with a little bit of nice defense with that block.
This is just another Mavs homer-fueled response that tries to make fun of people with no facts to back it up. That heralded Mavs' "D" gave up 51% shooting and huge runs that let the Suns get back in the game. They just missed Diaw and so the Mavs' defense on lesser ball-handlers (Bell/Barbosa) was satisfactory enough to cause turnovers.HAHHA Suns D equal to the Mavs? You lose all credibility....nice try. Other than Bell and maybe Marion NONE of the Suns can play D. Nash and Amare are actually defensive liabilities. So sad homer...so sad indeed
He ways saying that the Suns' D in this game was equal to the Mavs, but not overall right now...
Whoever said the Mavs have won against a lot of quality teams this year are wrong. You beat the Spurs once and the Suns twice. You lost to both Detroit and Utah and the rest of your schedule was soft and you lost to teams you should not be losing to such as the Warriors and the Rockets to name a few. So saying the Suns have had such a soft schedule with their wins is just ridiculous! Yes, we have not beat the Spurs or the Mavs and Jazz yet but all but one of those games was at the beginning of the season and we were way off chemistry wise. Give the Suns time and they will beat some of the better teams in the league this year. I just get tired of Mav fans tooting their horn so much and they have had a soft schedule against quite a few soft teams this year also. The Suns have yet to be blown out this year unlike the Mavs so you don't have much to brag about at this time. Beating Denver last night without Carmelo and JR Smith and Nene playing and Kenyon Martin out for the year and with Dirk out and Stackhouse is not that great of an accomplishment. The Suns beat them badly last year (we have not gotten to play them this year yet due to the blizzard) and we did not have Amare or Kurt Thomas playing. Amare is equal to Dirk as far as star power goes so lets see you beat quality teams without Dirk first before you going bragging about one win against a depleted Nuggets team. Before you go saying Iverson is such a handful, he may be for most teams but the Suns happen to be one of the few teams to hold him to below his average.
Spur fans are probably laughing their asses off right now that we are going back and forth on their board about a in regular season game.. Both fanbases sound like jackasses right now not willing to give credit to the other on such a great and well played game. Who gives a who was playing, or how it was played. Just know that both teams need to make major improvements before April comes around.
Suns fans saw Marion and Diaw did not play to what they are use to see. Likewise, Mavs fans saw Dirk and Howard not play well as well. Suns need to improve on rebounding, Mavs need to improve on killer instinct. The Key in all of this is that it was in DECEMBER.
It's true.. I can't believe this thread is still going...
Best post within this thread. Shame it can't simply end it. I guess I'm selfish enough to want my "props" post to be made known, rather than simply through a PM... Good sentiment. The game was decided by a here or there. One basket here, another rebound there, everything is changed.
Like Stylistic said, way too much has been read into about one, single, late-December game. As I said earlier within this thread, last year Dallas took the first two games vs. Phoenix, then lost the next two to finish out the regular season, then lost game one at home vs. the Suns before beating Phoenix 4-2. So, in the big picture, the Suns starting 0-2 vs. Dallas means very little. If the Suns manage to go 2-0 vs. Dallas to finish the year, it means very little. One or two game between these two teams is hardly the definate some Mavs fans are claiming it/them to be. Meanwhile, it's not "nothing" either. I may very well decide homecourt, which may very well decide a playoff series.
Still, I hope the intent can be picked out. Mavs know more about the Mavs than most every Suns fan does. Suns fans know more abou the Suns than most every Mavs fan does.
you truly are making a lot out of one game. either way, im not going to waste my time debating with simpleminded morons like yourself. ill just let the Mavs do the talking when the playoffs come... if our teams even meet, since now the Suns wont have an easy road the way they did last year.
you truly are a total ing moron to say the Suns D is just as good as the Mavs D.
Uh, I think it's stupid that people are arguing about what was essentially a close game but who cares what Spurs fans think about the thread? Check out some of their threads for regular season games sometime....SPURS/MAVS GAME THREAD HAD OVER 700 POSTS AND 28 PAGES.
Spurs fans will have 10+ pages on topics such as "Who is better: Nazr, Rasho, or Malik?"
We're at least discussing a hard-fought game and insulting each other in every other post.
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