NASCAR TV Ratings

[LEONARD]

I'm tired of this argument...just a few final points:

1. That article says "average of 350,000 to 400,000 pay-per-view buys a year" which is wrong in a couple ways. The UFC did 10 PPV's last year with the worst one probably doing 350k (early in 2006) and the best doing 1.1 million buys (end of 2006). Probably around 5 million PPV buys for the year. (They also did 8 fight cards on e TV). This year there will be more UFC PPV's than last year along with several cards on HBO, and just as many e events along with the TUF 5 reality show. And that's just the UFC. Pride has 3 US PPV's scheduled thru half of the year plus the PPV's in Japan. Bodogfight, Elite XC, IFL, WEC...

2. If you think MMA has "peaked," then you just don't have a clue what you're talking about. 2007 will be MUCH bigger than 2006 was. It's obvious that CaptMike doesn't have a clue about MMA...surely even he will admit that.

Are Pride and MMA or UFC or whatever the same thing? Or is this just like the 9 different belts for the same class in boxing?

He doesn't know enough about the sport to have any hot sports opinions on it...

and I don't know why I took the time to explain it all to him when he posted that because he never replied... move...

3. I don't know that MMA will ever be as big as NASCAR, and I don't really care if it is. NASCAR is huge in the US...as boring as I think it is, many find it quite the opposite. I really doubt that MMA will ever be picked up by one of the 4 big channels. Not everybody can wrap their brain around the complexity of MMA. I mean, it's so brutal and all, even though there has never been an MMA death in a sanctioned event. But boxing is the "sweet science" and for some reason gets a pass on all of the boxing deaths every year (rarely even makes the news for some reason). If only Dale Earnhardt had chosen MMA instead of stock car racing he'd still be around today...

4. We'll be seeing UFC highlights on SportCenter by the end of 2007...I don't know if that's good or not, but it'll happen eventually. ESPN has realized they've dropped the ball and are missing out on a huge money train. All you have to do is turn on ESPN 2 or Classic just about any night and they're playing old ISKA kickboxing matches or Muy Thai fights because it's all they've got that's similar to MMA...

[IX_Equilibrium]

Man. Diluted, you are for sure. That is quite possibly the stupidest statement I have ever heard. MMA was nothing before boxing was already on its way out the door. Different media outlets? Of course they do. It's because of the media outlets that will HAVE them. Trust me, if UFC was anything worth having ever money grubbing network exec known to man would try pitching it as the next big thing. Its not on Fox or ABC or NBC or TNT because it doesn't warrant the time there. , NASCAR has an entire channel (Speed). NASCAR has its own DIRECTV package. UFC gets, according to your article, "average of 350,000 to 400,000 pay-per-view buys a year and more than 2 million viewers a season on e TV, through its reality series The Ultimate Fighter and live fight telecasts." NASCAR got over 1.3 million to just watch one race qualifying. NASCAR has one RACE that draws 400,000 people to it.
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Are you that much if a dunce that you can't see you have refuted your own statement? You siad Nascar has provided a blueprint for MMA. Do you know what the word blueprint means?? If you did, you would see that MMA is not expanding by the same methods that Nascar has, not even close. So tell me how is that a blueprint??

And I never claimed that more people watched the UFC than Nascar. If you are too slow to get it, I posted the article in the response to your "MMA has peaked" statement. And if you want to believe that MMA has nothing to do with boxing's dwindling numbers which correlate with MMA's rise in popularity, keep putting your head in the sand.

[IX_Equilibrium]

It's obvious that CaptMike doesn't have a clue about MMA...surely even he will admit that.



He doesn't know enough about the sport to have any hot sports opinions on it...

and I don't know why I took the time to explain it all to him when he posted that because he never replied... move...
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It goes way beyond him being ignorant. He argues against statements that he's already made without realizing it!

[MajorMike]

Are you that much if a dunce that you can't see you have refuted your own statement? You siad Nascar has provided a blueprint for MMA. Do you know what the word blueprint means?? If you did, you would see that MMA is not expanding by the same methods that Nascar has, not even close. So tell me how is that a blueprint??

And I never claimed that more people watched the UFC than Nascar. If you are too slow to get it, I posted the article in the response to your "MMA has peaked" statement. And if you want to believe that MMA has nothing to do with boxing's dwindling numbers which correlate with MMA's rise in popularity, keep putting your head in the sand.

Said, not siad. Yes I know what it means and obviously you don't or you wouldn't keep acting like a scorned 13 year old girl. MMA had zero to do with boxing's decline and you are an imbecile to suggest so. But you already know that. If you want to argue that because UFC is expanding by OTHER means, then that is your only avenue to be correct, however I am completely correct when I say that UFC can look to NASCAR to see what it did to expand its base and grow. Any idiot can see that (except you). It is fun, however, to continue to see the other guys in the thread try to shut you up by trying to put an end to the conversation. Please, continue.

[LEONARD]

Said, not siad.

Seriously, why even bother nit-picking a typo?? A clear sign that you're grasping at anything you can at this point...

It is fun, however, to continue to see the other guys in the thread try to shut you up by trying to put an end to the conversation. Please, continue.

Who are you referring to? I'm tired of the thread and the argument because of you

[MajorMike]

So why is it ok for you to put down NASCAR but its a sin for me to put down UFC?

[IX_Equilibrium]

Said, not siad. Yes I know what it means and obviously you don't or you wouldn't keep acting like a scorned 13 year old girl. MMA had zero to do with boxing's decline and you are an imbecile to suggest so. But you already know that. If you want to argue that because UFC is expanding by OTHER means, then that is your only avenue to be correct, however I am completely correct when I say that UFC can look to NASCAR to see what it did to expand its base and grow. Any idiot can see that (except you). It is fun, however, to continue to see the other guys in the thread try to shut you up by trying to put an end to the conversation. Please, continue.

Hey Leonard, were you trying to shut me up?


Look, you've already made enough of an ass of yourself, acting like Nascar's success was an inspiration for MMA, saying that MMA is a fad like roller derby, claiming that MMA has peaked, etc. Just keep saying stupid which can be proven wrong by the reality of things. Maybe we can review just how far MMA has gone and relook at the PPV numbers, revenues, and exposure in one year's time, and get an even bigger laugh out of your inane stamements. Well, hopefully you will shut up by then.

[IX_Equilibrium]

So why is it ok for you to put down NASCAR but its a sin for me to put down UFC?

I doubt anyone here would give a about Nascar, but when you look at this thread, you were the one who was always being a troll. Don't pull this "why me, why nascar " bull . You don't want anyone to troll your nascar threads, fine. Kindly do the same for MMA.

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthre...t=roller+derby

[LEONARD]

So why is it ok for you to put down NASCAR but its a sin for me to put down UFC?

Honestly, I just like busting your balls over NASCAR because you started ripping on the UFC a while back. You randomly posted smartass comments in MMA threads long before I said anything about NASCAR...

I've watched enough NASCAR to know that it's not something that does anything for me. I'll probably watch the last few laps of the Daytona 500 or the TMS races to look for a friend of mine that runs victory lane, and that's about it for me for the year. The rest just bores me to tears, unless they have a big wreck. I know there is a lot of strategy to it, history between drivers, team implications with who helps who, etc but it does nothing for me.

Based on what you've posted, you obviously know nothing about MMA so I don't see how you can form a valid opinion about it. If you're going to put down MMA, at least know what you're talking about and make a valid case for what you're saying...

[MajorMike]

I doubt anyone here would give a about Nascar, but when you look at this thread, you were the one who was always being a troll. Don't pull this "why me, why nascar " bull . You don't want anyone to troll your nascar threads, fine. Kindly do the same for MMA.

http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthre...t=roller+derby

When you look at this thread, the one we are ON, I wasn't.

Its ok, tho, my 2 year old thinks he is always right too.

Roller Derby was a harsh comparison, because after all, Derby did dominate an entire decade, so you are right that was not a good one to go up against.

MMA is more like WWE. WWE still does well on tv, posting 3s regularly. WWE had huge PPVs. WWE sells out stadiums. WWE had a successful reality series. However while they will continue to do well, they will never be back to the era of Austin 3:16 shirts, top selling soundtracks, action figures and animated cartoons. Whereas they may not be on the decline yet, it will never be as big as it was and will continue to fight for its audience.

Such will be the fate of UFC.

And UFC will never... EVER, be as popular/successful as WWE was or is today.

[IX_Equilibrium]

MMA is more like WWE. WWE still does well on tv, posting 3s regularly. WWE had huge PPVs. WWE sells out stadiums. WWE had a successful reality series. However while they will continue to do well, they will never be back to the era of Austin 3:16 shirts, top selling soundtracks, action figures and animated cartoons. Whereas they may not be on the decline yet, it will never be as big as it was and will continue to fight for its audience.

Such will be the fate of UFC.

And UFC will never... EVER, be as popular/successful as WWE was or is today.

Oh, now the comparison goes to pro wrestling. More prophetic statements from our resident nostradamus.

[MajorMike]

At least you were smart enough not to deny it.

Heck, Jimmy Houston got really good tv ratings or a year or two.

[IX_Equilibrium]

At least you were smart enough not to deny it.

Heck, Jimmy Houston got really good tv ratings or a year or two.

Deny something that may or may not happen in the future? Sorry, I'm not clairvoyant, as you claim to be. Most intelligent people would see that MMA has shown no signs of reaching it's ceiling, with advertising budgets getting bigger by the week, and the expanding of big promotions like the UFC into international markets.

[MajorMike]

Deny something that may or may not happen in the future? Sorry, I'm not clairvoyant, as you claim to be. Most intelligent people would see that MMA has shown no signs of reaching it's ceiling, with advertising budgets getting bigger by the week, and the expanding of big promotions like the UFC into international markets.

Jimmy Houston had his own boat line.

[MajorMike]

[IX_Equilibrium]

Good! Resorting to jokes shows even you understand the depth of stupidity that you spew forth in your posts.

[LEONARD]

Roller Derby was a harsh comparison, because after all, Derby did dominate an entire decade, so you are right that was not a good one to go up against..

Roller Derby dominated a decade?? In what way??

and nice job implying that MMA can never reach the heights of roller derby, by the way...

MMA is more like WWE. WWE still does well on tv, posting 3s regularly. WWE had huge PPVs. WWE sells out stadiums. WWE had a successful reality series. However while they will continue to do well, they will never be back to the era of Austin 3:16 shirts, top selling soundtracks, action figures and animated cartoons. Whereas they may not be on the decline yet, it will never be as big as it was and will continue to fight for its audience. Such will be the fate of UFC.

WTF?? WWE is fake BS that shows just how many idiots we have in this country...it's sad really. I've never watched more than 30 seconds of fake wrestling at any one time in my life. Complete garbage...it's only value is comedic...

MMA is a legit sport that's fully sanctioned by the same bodies that govern boxing. How is that like WWE?? I'm so confused...

And UFC will never... EVER, be as popular/successful as WWE was or is today.

Once again, you've shown that you know NOTHING about the sport, so how can you form such strong opinions??

[LEONARD]

Good! Resorting to jokes shows even you understand the depth of stupidity that you spew forth in your posts.

It's kinda like pointing out typo's in the middle of an argument...

[IX_Equilibrium]

Roller Derby dominated a decade?? In what way??

Didn't you know that Leonard??? You can learn alot from CaptMike!

WTF?? WWE is fake BS that shows just how many idiots we have in this country...it's sad really. I've never watched more than 30 seconds of fake wrestling at any one time in my life. Complete garbage...it's only value is comedic...

MMA is a legit sport that's fully sanctioned by the same bodies that govern boxing. How is that like WWE?? I'm so confused...

I'm not surprised that in injected the WWE into his pathtic argument. NAscar fans love their fake wrestling. Besides, what else would they watch whenever Earnhardt isn't on the track??

[MajorMike]

WTF?? WWE is fake BS that shows just how many idiots we have in this country...it's sad really. I've never watched more than 30 seconds of fake wrestling at any one time in my life. Complete garbage...it's only value is comedic...

MMA is a legit sport that's fully sanctioned by the same bodies that govern boxing. How is that like WWE?? I'm so confused...

Once again, you've shown that you know NOTHING about the sport, so how can you form such strong opinions??

I know its more popular.

I know it has national network contracts.

I know it generates more money in tv, marketing, advertising and merchandising revenues.

Fully sanctioned, huh? Well so is boxing... and boxing has NEVER been rigged, right?

I also continually find it funny you keep poking fun at the spelling correction, when it was done for effect following the 'all stockcar fans are rednecks' comment, which becomes funnier every second you keep alluding to it.

[MajorMike]

Roller Derby dominated a decade?? In what way??

and nice job implying that MMA can never reach the heights of roller derby, by the way...

To the media, there was only one Roller Derby, and from Jerry Seltzer's takeover in the late 50's the game reached new heights of popularity with a 120-station television network where taped games from the Bombers' home, Kezar Pavilion in San Francisco, were shown weekly. Television made fans of thousands and the Bombers packed arenas from coast to coast on cross country tours, regularly selling out arenas such as Madison Square Garden, Boston Garden, Kiel Auditorium in St. Louis and dozens more. The indoor record for Roller Derby was set at 19,507 at Madison Square Garden in 1970; it was broken by the outdoor record at the Oakland Coliseum a few months later at around 28,000 for a game between the Bombers and the Northeast Braves. The following year that record was topped again with 34,000 for a Bomber game at the Coliseum; their rival, the Midwest Pioneers, broke that record with 50,000 fans in 1972 for a game at Comiskey Park in Chicago. At this point, the Bombers home-team concept was duplicated with the New York Chiefs representing the Eastern U.S. and the Pioneers based in Chicago (but really everything west of Philadelphia).

[MajorMike]

I'm not surprised that in injected the WWE into his pathtic argument. NAscar fans love their fake wrestling. Besides, what else would they watch whenever Earnhardt isn't on the track??

I think WWE is lame, just like UFC. WWE is just more popular.

[MajorMike]

Good! Resorting to jokes shows even you understand the depth of stupidity that you spew forth in your posts.

It shows the futility of your arguements and the fact UFC is a flash in the pan, much like William Hung.

[MajorMike]

Deny something that may or may not happen in the future? Sorry, I'm not clairvoyant, as you claim to be. Most intelligent people would see that MMA has shown no signs of reaching it's ceiling, with advertising budgets getting bigger by the week, and the expanding of big promotions like the UFC into international markets.

Yeah, I wouldn't bet on UFC becoming very popular if I were you, either. Hard to take a chance on a fad.

[MajorMike]

Hey Leonard, were you trying to shut me up?

Geez, someone needs to. Your momma obviously didn't do a very good job of it.