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I really don't see how you can say you don't like one over the other, when you clearly think TP is better than Manu.
Ok, I don't like one more than the other like most people do. I think they're both very important players for the team and like both their games. But wonder why so many Spurs fan really want Manu in and not TP (both).
Although I do believe Manu should be in there, I just don't see how you can justify putting him in front of TP. You're putting the fourth best SG in before the second best PG in the WC. I just don't understand.
I would've hope the Spurs front office and media alike would be pumping TP as well as Manu. Instead you see PHX getting three players instead of SA, which I think are more deserving. Nash is a no brainer, but both Marion and Amare in I think is wrong.
If we were to lose TD, like PHX lost Nash, we wouldn't of lost 5+ games like PHX. TP and Manu would've carried the team, like Marion and Amare couldn't. Proven last yr.
I think Manu will get in and I'll also think this might be his only yr. We'll see TP in there for the next 10yrs. So I guess it doesn't matter.
Just my 2 cents.
I really don't see how you can say you don't like one over the other, when you clearly think TP is better than Manu.
PS. This subject has already been argued to death! let's not start over!
^^ You are the one starting it up again. JCRod is just saying that he'd like more fans to want to see both of them in.
No, I don't, which is obvious by your screen name. Read the post, I just don't see you putting the 4th best sg in front of the 2nd best pg. I more mad that nobody is trying to get both in, like phx, instead of one.
THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fine, then I won't start it up again!
There's plenty of them.
Why in the would you think this would be Manu's only year??
Jcrod, WTF are you smokin?
i can understand his point, now whether or not Manu is better than TP, you would be hardpressed to pick a better PG in this league (not named Nash). Now for Manu, you can make the case that Ray Allen, The Rapeist, and T-Mac are better, all three have much better stats.
Look at the big picture, quit being manu/spurs homers. The dude is 27, he is never going to be better than Kobe or TMAC and Ray (28) will be right there in the mix. If TP doesn't make it this yr at 22 is progressively getting better and will be in there for yrs to come. I don't see a PG who will challenge him in the next coming yrs. Do you really think we'll have 3 all stars every yr. That would be a dream come true, but think realisticly.Jcrod, WTF are you smokin?
BTW did you see the way TP and Manu embraced each other after they pulled that win yest without TD. That put a smile to my face.
From the way you guys post do manu and tp not get along or is it just the that like one more than the other...
You know I heard that Tony got invited to participate in the Skills Challenge compe ionand he might turn that down depending on if he gets selected to the All Star Game. I still wish both of them could participate in the All Star game because they both deserve it and they've both been a huge part of helping our team win.
First off, 27 is not old. We have yet to see the best of Manu. Second, there are more than 2 guards on the all star team (they do pick reserves).
If you seriously think that this year is his only shot, you need to get off the crack pipe.
I'm one of the guys that thinks Manu and Parker are both All Stars, and they were both on my ballot.
Parker is gaining a lot of respect around the NBA and his speed has gotten the notice of many coaches...
What hurts Parker more than anything is that some of his worst games have come in some of our biggest games...while Manu has a habit of shining in the marquee national games.
FWIW, if I have to pick between the two I go with Manu...
#1.Parker will have a lot more opportunities than Manu, because Manu is 5 years older than Parker.
#2.Manu is more of a prime time player...the bigger the game, the better Manu seems to play. Parker doesn't have that polish yet, although Parker is capable of dominating a game. On top of that Manu is a much more efficient shooter than Parker this season, and that's kind of a surprise to me. I expected Manu to be the high PCT shot guy with limited 3 ability...I expected Parker to turn into more of a shooter this season, mainly because Parker had a very respectable 3 point shot during the first 3 seasons of his career. Who knew that Manu would turn into the deadeye shooter and Parker would be the high PCT penetrator?
#3.Manu is ing fun to watch...and I think that's the main reason he has as much high profile support as he does.
I think they are both All Stars...I think there is a chance both could make the roster since Peja, Kobe and Webber are battling through injuries...but if push comes to shove, I go with Manu for this season.
But just remember, in that LA playoff series from last year...in games 1 and 2...Tony Parker, not Manu, not Shaq, not Kobe, not Duncan, not Malone, not Payton, was the best player on the court. Tony Parker was the guy that made a 9 time champion coach, that hates to double team, double team him.
When the kid figures it out(FT shooting for example) he is going to be an absolute monster and a perennial AS...he just doesn't have it quite figured out yet...at least not to the degree that Manu does.
Last edited by whottt; 02-04-2005 at 08:46 PM.
Manu will have many shots to come, think about it...If the Francis trade didn't go down, Manu would be in it.
Manu is competing in more skilled conference, with the best guards.
One of these times, ray, kobe, nash, or tmac could be traded.
I can already see T-Mac being traded again in the next 2 years. I would bet money on it.
I think both are borderline all stars, but it's just hard to imagine that three Spurs will make the team simply because the west is so deep and talented.
With so many good guards like Kobe, Allen, McGrady, Nash, and Bibby, it's just hard to imagine that both Parker and Manu would make it. I could see how you could argue that Parker or Manu should make it over Bibby, but to think that both of them will get in? It just seems like a stretch.
I don't think anyone really believes they will both make it, we just think it would kick ass.
I think Manu will have other chances, too, but the rest of the conference isn't going to remain stagnant. TMac could possibly be traded and Allen could possibly bolt, but there are some other up-and-coming players that will present a challenge.
Several forwards and guards will challenge for spots in the next few years.
Melo has been a disappointment, but it's hard to imagine that he won't eventually be among the league's best at his position. Jason Richardson is solid and will get a shot someday. Rashard Lewis might get a shot. Kirilenko will be there. Andre Miller may even have a shot someday. Baron Davis could return to form.
There is just so much talent. Other players will keep getting better, too.
What sucks is the system of how they pick the 7.
Amare should be picked as the center but Brad Miller will probably get it as that is how the ballot was done despite Amare playing at Center all season!! So those 2 plus Dirk and Nash are locks.
Now you got 3 spots. The coaches should just all be able to rate regardless of position as someone like Manu would do just fine at the SF.
My ideal 7 backups:
Amare
Nash
Dirk
Manu
Marion
Allen
Parker
Puts both Spurs on and is a very fast and athletic and fun to watch team = what the fans want!!!
I for one don't want to see any Kings on there but one will be on it guaranteed.
If Kobe doesn't play then put Bibby on for him or something like that. Let Stoj go to the 3 pointer and win that and do his pouting with Webber somewhere else.
MadDoc
anyone outside of SA would take bibby and baron davis before Parker...
Baron Davis? for this year's ASG? Have you been smoking funny weed again?
anyone outside of SA would take bibby and baron davis before Parker...
The guy has played 17 games (35%) and started in only 13 in the current season, not to mention he palys for the worst temain te NBA.
Think again, huevo.
No, this has been posted before! The reserves are chosen to fill positions, but the coaches are NOT locked into the positions listed on the ballot.
So Amare CAN be chosen as a center.
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