It isn't about players not wanting to play in SA. As another poster says, its about the CBA. How many big name free agents have been lured away from their current team? People keep talking about Kidd and JOneal, did they change teams? Exactly how many big name FA's have CHOSEN to sign with a new team? Nash? It was pretty clear Dallas wasn't trying particularly hard to re-sign him after Bibby owned his ass.
Except that "big name guy" stayed with his current team because he could sign for more money there.
Look at the history of really "big time" free agents. The vast majority of them re-sign with their current team. And not always because they love that team, but because that team can pay them more than anybody else.
O'Neal & Kidd - hrmmm, sounds like two guys who took THE MONEY. We couldn't - by CBA rules - offer them as much as Indy and NJ. It had nothing to do with them preferring those towns over SA. In fact, since Kidd considered the Spurs very strongly despite the fact that he would have had to play here for a bit of a discount - doesn't that say the exact opposite about players' feelings towards the SAS?
As for Rahim - a) since when was he a top free agent? b) how much did we offer him compared to SAC?
Call me crazy but wouldnt Artest be avavilable next season assuming he excercises his ETO for about 8-9 million. Wow lol teams wouldnt be able to get over the 75 point mark with him here.
Ok i just overlooked his one million negatives but yeh, i think the Spurs will sign a youngish star next season in the 8-9 million range depending on how this TV agreement affects the cap.
Vaughn I agree with. Bonner is a bit of a mystery. He was just a throw-in the Spurs had to take be rid of Rasho's contract. Now he's Malik Rose?
Spurs win championship in '05. Should have won it again in '06 and did win it again in '07.
So why is it that we need some "big name" that may not even fit in, to continue down the path the Spurs have been on?
It's like I always say about people not being satisfied with where they are, they always want to "go" somewhere else. In the same vain, people aren't satisfied unless they land a "big name" player on their team. They can't just be happy with the group they have that are winning and winning and winning.
Human nature is a weird duck.
You're not crazy but Artest is.
The best bet next year is some up-and-comer that doesn't have a marquee name and is just waiting to be paired with Duncan so he can break into the top tier. Any suggestions?
As for Artest, I'm all for him being a Spur. Sadly, he is a nut, but his intensity on the court is unquestionable. And in a team-first environment, you never know. He could be our Rodman.
Rodman crashed and burned here because he clashed with the team culture. I would expect the same from Artest. You joke about him being a "nut", but I think he really is crazy, like certifiable.
O'Neal stayed in Indiana out of loyalty to the Pacers. Kidd's issue had to do a lot with his wife, and also wanting to stay loyal to NJ.
Anyway ...
What's funny to me is that Spurs fans want all of our own star free agents (Tim, Tony, Manu) to stay in San Antonio and not shop around during free agency. But then if another team's free agent chooses to stay in their home city and not come to S.A., then Spurs fans cry about them being greedy.
and a promise that Isaih Thomas would be the coachO'Neal stayed in Indiana out of loyalty to the Pacers
Like what, 3 weeks after the official signing they fire Thomas and hire Carlisle?
We haven't gotten 'crap' guys the last 3 years. We've gotten role players that fit our system. .500? We have two rings in the last three years, dumbass.
We had won two les already at the point where we went after Kidd and O'Neal. Kidd didn't want to come because his dike wife didn't like SA. O'Neal wanted to be the alpha dog on his team, which he knew he wouldn't have been playing alongside DUncan.The Spurs have a winning organization with a winning at ude, all they need is the cap space and they will get some big name FA. The big difference between what happened from 2k1 - 2k3 is irrelevant today because NBA players now know the San Antonio Spurs are the premier organization in the league and those other organizations that mimic us are also having the same great success, (see Cleveland).
, not much has changed since that date other than the Spurs winning two more les. The same alpha dog personalities still wouldn't come because they would still be playing Robin to Tim Duncan's Batman.
WNBA? I'm so stupid that Bonner was getting the second most minutes of any big man off the bench (behind Oberto) before he got hurt, and with the demotion of Elson later in the year in favor of Oberto, you can argue that Oberto would have started with Bonner backing him up.
I think you're the candy ass who needs to head over to the WNBA board.
She shoots, she scores....
The formula of having three superstars and an effective supporting cast has worked so far. I would love to see a "big name" FA come in but its stupid to make a deal for the sake of making a deal.
AHF said it best......Pop and RC have been pretty successful....I trust them.
Finley and Oberto have clearly proven themselves. The jury's still out on last year's class.
As you pointed out, Bonner has shown promise, but his injury prevented him from doing anything more when it counted. Elson's been on the fringe of the rotation, and Butler and White had redshirt years. This will be the season that proves whether any of those guys really is Spurs material.
That's why I'm not all that worried about the Spurs seemingly standing pat this offseason -- there's a whole bunch of guys who we've already invested a year in that we need to give a shot. Throwing those guys away for virtually nothing to bring in more unproven guys seems like a waste. Unless we can really land someone proven like Nocioni without destroying our cap, standing pat looks pretty okay.
The spurs will have something like 8 mo $ they can bring someone with that money
not a superstar but a good player who want to play for the le
IMO bonner is'nt a bad player : 2.7 mo $ for him is more than i expected but not too much
I don't think we are going to get a superstar in 08. I think winning this season might of changed tim's mind with tony as the MVP. our best chance of getting a superstart is signing hill this season.
allstart finals MVP Tony, Defense all team Bowen,Hill allstart,goldmedal winner, 10 tripe doubles in a season, MVP timmy , and Gold medal oberto(man wish we still had david here but time must go on)
I think that would be a prety good team.
you best chance of a superstart shake up is getting Hill before he is snapped up by others or the rumoured trade of timmy for the #1 draft pick that feel through
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With a superstar like Duncan surrounded by two All-stars like Manu and Parker and a former all-star like Finley and a perrenial defensive All_NBA player like Bowen, why do we need another big name.?
I have faith that the FO will find replacements for Bowen and Finley while the Big 3 are still in their prime.
What about 2015 when Tim Duncan is 39 years old?
I love how so many people around here know so much more than the front office that put together 4 rings in 9 years...
Vaughn, while not great, was solid as after the first round of the playoffs. His jumper has improved after working with Chip, especially from the corners (I saw them practicing this together back in Jan when I went to practice).
Oberto has shown how beautifully he fits with this system, and what a clutch performer he is.
Bonner is perfect to reduce Horry's reg season minutes and learn from Horry to take over his position at the same time.
We signed V for the vet min, the other 2 for about 3mil/yr each, which is bugger all in the NBA. What's the problem again???
This year's championship was the utter triumph of TEAM over all other factors. We played 9 or 10 guys most of the playoffs and consistently handed the other team's bench their heads. Why? Guys like Oberto, Vaughn and Bonner. We stand pat and we are still a contender EVERY YEAR because we have the best constructed, most flexible and cohesive UNIT in the NBA.
A little more appreciation is deserved methinks.
PS I'm sure the team knows exactly what it will do in 2008 and beyond, and that none of this is getting in the way. We have visionaies in the FO who plan 2-5 years ahead, and I'm sure their plan is intact despite these peripheral signings.
The time is now, virtual GMs.
What do you think they should do? What are the moves you would think were bad, or you think should have been or should be made? Curious as to your ideas here...
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