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Meant to put the bubble in response to MI21 saying Duncan couldn't be effect with another post player.
I don't understand your point, but David is retired. We are talking about today, tomorrow and the future. The 99 and 03 championships have nothing to do with today.
Meant to put the bubble in response to MI21 saying Duncan couldn't be effect with another post player.
ah.... good one.
Playoffs the big rotation will get shortened to Duncan, Rasho, Horry and a few scrub minutes until Shaq shows up if he does. Malik would only get scrub minutes or desperstion minutes.
Glad to lose the contract and hopefully get a good big next year with Nazr's ending contract. Scola cheap maybe and hopefully another like Marshall.
If Pop and RC hadn't ed up and gone after Varejao instead of Beno Spurs would be sitting pretty.
Classic.
David only played 25-28mpg, was always best out high and not on the low block and was never given the chance to post up down low in his latter years, especially not with Tim in the game.Meant to put the bubble in response to MI21 saying Duncan couldn't be effect with another post player.
I never said Duncan couldn't be effective with another post player, but the other player suffers because there is nobody else you would rather post up than Duncan. Why pay big salary to somebody who isn't going to be effective because you already have someone who is much better at doing the same thing. There is only so much room in the paint and on the block as well.
Sequ, how is posting someone up on the other side of the key, crowding the keyway making it hard for each post player to get space and easy shots, helping the Spurs win the championship?
One, Duncan posts up less and less now days, usually now when he has a mismatch on a smaller post player.
Two, if the Spurs have a second strong post player it forces mismatches. Now the other team needs two strong post defenders. One to stay with Duncan and one to stay with the other big.
Three, Robinson wasn't a back to the basket post up player but he was a drive to the basket big. Duncan occupied the space but Robinson still got his shots in and the high low game was a killer.
Four, at the other end having two post defenders is sweet .
The Chandler that they tried to get would be two post players that would have worked just fine. Varejao would have been.
When it matters, Duncan will be posting up a lot more often. At least I hope so.One, Duncan posts up less and less now days, usually now when he has a mismatch on a smaller post player.
I don't really care what the mismatch is on the other player, I'd much rather be dumping it into Duncan. I just don't see the point in having 2 post players doing the same thing and giving them both big money one will suffice and the money can be spend on something better.Two, if the Spurs have a second strong post player it forces mismatches. Now the other team needs two strong post defenders. One to stay with Duncan and one to stay with the other big.
Duncan was on the other side when Robinson drove from high, essentially drawing defenders across, creating an open area. Duncan wasn't standing in Dave's driving area. Sequ was talking about low post players, 2 good low post players generally creates spacing problems. Hi-Lo wasn't 2 players posting up like Sequ was talking about.Three, Robinson wasn't a back to the basket post up player but he was a drive to the basket big. Duncan occupied the space but Robinson still got his shots in and the high low game was a killer.
Indeed. We have 2 good post defenders already. Some people won't admit thisFour, at the other end having two post defenders is sweet .(not saying you)
Chandler ain't no low post threat. Athletic Garbage who gets putbacks, tip ins, and dunk off passes. I would of loved him on the squad, dude is averaging almost 10rpg off the bench.The Chandler that they tried to get would be two post players that would have worked just fine. Varejao would have been
When it matters, Duncan will be posting up a lot more often. At least I hope so.One, Duncan posts up less and less now days, usually now when he has a mismatch on a smaller post player.
I don't really care what the mismatch is on the other player, I'd much rather be dumping it into Duncan. I just don't see the point in having 2 post players doing the same thing and giving them both big money one will suffice and the money can be spend on something better.Two, if the Spurs have a second strong post player it forces mismatches. Now the other team needs two strong post defenders. One to stay with Duncan and one to stay with the other big.
Duncan was on the other side when Robinson drove from high, essentially drawing defenders across, creating an open area. Duncan wasn't standing in Dave's driving area. Sequ was talking about low post players, 2 good low post players generally creates spacing problems. Hi-Lo wasn't 2 players posting up like Sequ was talking about.Three, Robinson wasn't a back to the basket post up player but he was a drive to the basket big. Duncan occupied the space but Robinson still got his shots in and the high low game was a killer.
Indeed. We have 2 good post defenders already. Some people won't admit thisFour, at the other end having two post defenders is sweet .
Chandler ain't no low post threat. Athletic garbage man who gets putbacks, tip ins, and dunks off passes. I would of loved him on the squad, dude is averaging almost 10rpg off the bench.The Chandler that they tried to get would be two post players that would have worked just fine. Varejao would have been
Defense. We're not talking about offense.
Rasho hasn't showed up for a road game in two months. Nazr has just been ummmm........ I don't even want to formulate an opinion yet on him.... His uniform is still new.
Massenburg? Ask the other 29 teams he's played for.
Marks? Dude is cool, makes the best candy in the world, but dude is barely a role player.
Spurs are hurting in this department and it really is magnified when Duncan is out.
The Spurs have Parker, Manu, Duncan, Barry and Sideshot Bowen. That's enough O.
I am talking D E F E N S E.
Rasho is fantastic defensively, when Tim is around. Tim elevates everyones game.
You expect the Spurs to be championship contender without Tim? You want them to plan to be a great team without Tim, when they have him on the team? Silly.
Rasho is good unless another team goes small or has a big that can take him out on the floor or he can be forced into switches on smaller players. Then Spurs have to get him off the floor or make him the only big and sacrifice a lot of low post offense.
MI21 since SequSpur stipulated better players especially in the post that means the player has to be better than Rasho. Post is O and D. You followed up that a good post player wouldn't work with Duncan. Bridge the gap. Name a post player with a better game than Rasho that couldn't play with Duncan.
Never said couldn't play, just said not worth the money signing a copycat of Tim who isn't as good.Name a post player with a better game than Rasho that couldn't play with Duncan.
Name a player? It would not be a great idea to sign an Eddy Curry to a big deal, he needs the low block to operate. The money could be spent elsewhere.
Doubt the Spurs would be interested in Curry. Given Curry's rebounding, shot blocking, defense I wouldn't consider him a better post player than Rasho.
What about Scola? He's primarily a low post player. You think he'll work with Duncan on the offensive end?
Is he able to play high post?What about Scola? He's primarily a low post player. You think he'll work with Duncan on the offensive end?
Just so you know, I realise that the Spurs would not be interested in Eddy.Doubt the Spurs would be interested in Curry. Given Curry's rebounding, shot blocking, defense I wouldn't consider him a better post player than Rasho.
Don't know. At his level, non-NBA, he has been able to put the ball on the floor and drive. I think he has a pretty reliable mid-range shot, others could comment who've seen him consistently. He can pass. What I've seen of him in half court O though he's occupied the low post mainly. But as is apparent now Spurs can use a second low post offensive player. When Duncan is resting or injured Spurs have near zero low post offensive players. Horry tries. That was Malik's biggest value for those ranting how we miss Malik now with Duncan injured, low post O, but half the time he'd get stuffed in the low post and he rarely knew when to quit trying and to kick it out.
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If Brown does not recuparate we have only one poison pair for playoffs. And still they should know how to play with each other on a serious playoff night. It seems the championship is decided on the Tim Duncan's recovery and Beno&Tony clicking. Wouldn't you think so?
Scola is playing a forward and is skilled mostly on offensive side. Think he should know how to play any post, but in limited time. European basket is mostly on versatility and efficiency. To be limited on particular game makes you half of a player you once have been. So the Rasho and Scola should combine high post game (and learn what they don't know about it).
But still, I am just a great optimist.
Ok, last 82Games post for the night...
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Player Pairs/Tandem statistics
The following numbers represent the plus/minus per 48 minute stats while two specific players were on the floor together. The summary table is color coded with the green cells representing cases where the +/- numbers for the player in the far left column were better with that specific teammate than his overall +/- stats.
Please note that these numbers are in raw form and have not been adjusted for the other players in the five-man unit, nor for the opposing 5-man unit on the floor at the same time. We do have adjusted ratings available, as well as full details on the 2-man pairs (team eFG%, rebounding, turnover data, shot selection, etc) -- for more information contact us.
Very cool and interesting chart. It took me a while to "get" it but I did!
Thank you.
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