It's time now for Bowen to pass the torch to Udoka

[ChumpDumper]

Please don't look at Brandon Roy's splits against the Spurs.

[MrChug]

Please.

Udoka is good but his defense is no where close to Bowen's.

I COMPLETELY agree. I see him getting lost on backpicks, simple screens, and even ball fakes. He often doesn't even "show" on pick and rolls...that's first DAY . I'm tired of the comparisons. Look at how little Bowen denies the ball in comparison to Udoka (a major part of defense), frustrates, and stays CLOSE to the man with the ball. You could drive a car between Udoka and the ballhandler some times. . Now I'm not saying he's not a good defender. He's better than Bonner, Finley, Barry, and Richardson...but that's not saying much.

[Ed Helicopter Jones]

Bowen always draws the toughest defensive assignment on the team, regardless of who we're playing. People who can't recognize Bowen's contribution to the last three Spurs championships don't know basketball. Go back and watch the Cavs series again if you want to guage Bowen's value to this team. IMO he should have been MVP of the series. Too many people can't look beyond a stat sheet.



This site is filled with some dumbass mofos.



BTW, welcome back Ghost.

[T Park]

This thread sickens me to the absolute max.

Thank god Pop runs this team and not the dumbasses on this forum.

[Ghost Writer]

Slooooooooooow down, timvp.

I don't remember saying this:

This is the same GW who said in 2002 that the Spurs would never win a championship with Bowen as a starter.

Even still, in 2002, Parker and Ginobili had not emerged as starters let alone stars.

He also called Bowen the worst starting small forward in the league and was on record as saying he'd rather the Spurs start Eric Williams than Bruce Bowen.

Bowen was the worse starting SF at the time and still may be.

Listen, Bowen plays great defense, but not enough to justify a starter's minutes. He can't do anything on offense except hit the wide-open baseline 3. He's a liability on the free throw line. Defenses sag off of him. He does not make anyone work on defense when guarding him.

Right or wrong?

Question.




At this point in his career, what is so bad about "saving" Bowen by using him as a defensive subs ution?


Question.

[T Park]

Defenses sag off of him

Yeah look how well that worked for the Suns in the playoffs.

[anjlbitz]

Bowen sucks. The Spurs have won les in spite of him, not because of him.

You're just mad because Brandon Roy curls up in a corner when he sees Bruce Bowen.

[spurs_fan_in_exile]

Assuming Udoka could give this sort of performance on a regular basis I'd be more inclined to give him Finley's starting spot than Bowen's. Defense is what gets it done around here.

[T Park]

Assuming Udoka could give this sort of performance on a regular basis I'd be more inclined to give him Finley's starting spot than Bowen's. Defense is what gets it done around here.

Agreed 1000%

I love Finley, but I love Udoka's game alot more.

[Ghost Writer]

Brilliant thinking, guys.

Then we have no one that can create their own shot off the bench whatsoever.


Talk about putting the weight of the world on Ginobili with the 2nd unit.

[ancestron]

a million posts and I bet they're all negative crap saying what the Spurs "need" to do. talk out your ass much?

[T Park]

Talk about putting the weight of the world on Ginobili with the 2nd unit.

He can handle it.

[timvp]

Slooooooooooow down, timvp.

I don't remember saying this:

This is the same GW who said in 2002 that the Spurs would never win a championship with Bowen as a starter.

Don't you remember your equations? You said the difference between what Kobe and Bowen score could never be made up in the other matchups. You said it was mathematically impossible for the Spurs to beat the Lakers are any other team in which Bowen was matched up against a top notch scorer.

Bowen was the worse starting SF at the time and still may be.

Ghost Writer is officially back.

Listen, Bowen plays great defense, but not enough to justify a starter's minutes. He can't do anything on offense except hit the wide-open baseline 3. He's a liability on the free throw line. Defenses sag off of him. He does not make anyone work on defense when guarding him.

Right or wrong?

Question.

Well coached teams never sag off of Bowen in the playoffs. Bowen has consistently been the team's best playoff three-point shooter since he signed with the Spurs.

And the fact that Bowen doesn't take many shots and stays out of the way is why the Spurs can have three star quality offensive players without having to worry about not having enough basketball to go around. You need role players to win championships. Bowen is the ultimate role player.

Having scorers at every position makes no sense. Someone has to take a backseat. Having all chiefs and no indians is not a recipe for championships.

At this point in his career, what is so bad about "saving" Bowen by using him as a defensive subs ution?


Question.

You've been advocating using Bowen as a bench defensive stopper since the Spurs signed him. Was he "at this point in his career" when the joined the team?

[Ghost Writer]

Yes.

timvp, you make excellent points and I don't disagree.

But I think that a rotation along these lines would give more balance and versatility:

PF Duncan
SF Udoku
C Oberto
PG Parker
SG Finley

Bench:

PF Bonner/Horry*
SF Barry/Bowen*
C Elson
PG Vaughn
SG Ginobili

*Horry and Bowen are valuable veterans that have very little to prove or work on in the regular season... use them situationally now in the season and save them for big spots in the playoffs

[rascal]

There are no players in the league capable of stopping the top scorers. Bowen causes them to work a little harder but they will get their points. No doubt he plays tough defense but his weak offensive game nullifies any defense he may bring making him no better than an average to weak starting sf in the league.

If Bowen is such a big difference maker then why doesn't he have any trade value? He is a one dimensional role player .

[timvp]

But I think that a rotation along these lines would give more balance and versatility:

PF Duncan
SF Udoku
C Oberto
PG Parker
SG Finley

Bench:

PF Bonner/Horry*
SF Barry/Bowen*
C Elson
PG Vaughn
SG Ginobili

*Horry and Bowen are valuable veterans that have very little to prove or work on in the regular season... use them situationally now in the season and save them for big spots in the playoffs

What's funny is Udoka's offense game is very similar to Bowen's offensive game. In fact, last year Udoka shot more shots in the corners than even Bowen did. Udoka gets his shots in the same places Bowen gets his shots. The only difference is Bowen is a little better at hitting that corner three.

If last night was your first time watching Udoka, you caught him on a good night. He's not a scorer at all. He's a guy who will shoot open shots and that's about it ... much like Bowen.

Udoka is more aggressive offensively while Bowen has better shot selection. If you'd watch Udoka in a game where he wasn't on fire, you'd hop off that bandwagon as quick as you hopped on.

[polandprzem]

What's funny is Udoka's offense game is very similar to Bowen's offensive game. In fact, last year Udoka shot more shots in the corners than even Bowen did. Udoka gets his shots in the same places Bowen gets his shots. The only difference is Bowen is a little better at hitting that corner three.

If last night was your first time watching Udoka, you caught him on a good night. He's not a scorer at all. He's a guy who will shoot open shots and that's about it ... much like Bowen.

Udoka is more aggressive offensively while Bowen has better shot selection. If you'd watch Udoka in a game where he wasn't on fire, you'd hop off that bandwagon as quick as you hopped on.

I thought it was just jokes umm nevermind


btw. WhoTF is Udoku?

[tlongII]

The only reason why Bowen plays is because the league lets him get away with hacking everybody he's matched up against. Frankly, it's ridiculous. He's acquired some kind of "rep" which makes it allowable in the official's eyes. UNBEAVABLE!

[z0sa]

This thread sickens me to the absolute max.

Thank god Pop runs this team and not the dumbasses on this forum.

QFT

bowen is the only reason we swept the cavs, and he's an integral part of the reason we've won three of our four championships.

Honestly, without bowen, its possible we still only have 1-2 championships. His D in the postseason throughout his spurs career has been simply remarkable. Remember that block on billups in game 7 of '05?

[e20dylan]

bowen is one of the MAIN reasons we have our rings theres no way hes coming off the bench. we just need to give udoka more minutes. id also like to see bowen and udoka in at the same time sometimes. that would really be amazing to watch

[T Park]

Ghost didn't watch the Finals last year.

Lame.

[Ghost Writer]

timvp, Udoku may not be the answer, but please apologizing for Bowen. He's old and one dimensional. And you know we'd get more mileage from him in the playoffs if we bring him in when we need stops.


P.S.

T Park, kindly kill yourself.

[ChumpDumper]

If Bowen is such a big difference maker then why doesn't he have any trade value?

When have the Spurs EVER even hinted at trading Bowen?


Why do haters have to continually make up?

[polandprzem]

Bewan is a great defender

[ChumpDumper]

Bowen owns Brandon Roy and it makes me cry.