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There, I fixed it for you.
You are beyond a dumbass.
This is the same team that made it to the Finals in 06 and won 67 games in 07 with the addition of Brandon Bass which is a big improvement to our team and a couple of defensive players. Harris is better this year than he has ever been. If you can't see that your blind. The Mavericks haven't all been healthy and although you think that the only thing that effects a professional basketball team is the superstars being healthy, I don't agree. If you knew anything about sports you would know that every piece matters. It's like a finely tuned machine. If any piece is not functioning properly, it throws the whole thing out of whack. If that wasn't the case they'd just keep Dirk and Josh and surround the team with homeless people off the street. You don't give Damp credit and if anyone tries to say anything to you they "think he's an allstar". He does a lot of dirty work that you don't pay attention to. Harris for Kidd is just plain dumb. Harris is a rising superstar at the beginning of his career and Kidd is a 35 year old at the end of his career. The team is fine, and I'm tired of your jump-ship mentality when everything isn't going perfect. You're the same dumbass that said trade Dirk after the 1st round exit last year. So this BS your talking will go away when the Mavs start playing good again, just like your trade Dirk BS did. Hence, you are a fair-weather fan. You only back the team when they are winning every game.
There, I fixed it for you.
Then what does that make the Spurs for getting eliminated by some chokers?
Actually let me answer that for you and save you some time.
"4 time world champions"
Maybe it was not our year to win it all. It has happened before.
I'll say we recovered pretty well. We actually have a leader or two in our team that know what it takes to go all the way.
See, that's where the difference is. Maybe we won't win it this year, but we know the core can takes us all the way. With Dallas, you know you'll make the playoffs, but do you have a leader to take you all the way? I assert that you do not. And I think that's what your team needs the most (I'm not necessarily saying you need JKidd. A Casell might be enough).
Fair enough, but I still wouldn't give up Harris. Terry and/or Stackhouse maybe, but not Harris.
Listen, I could pull the championship card, but it's just not what this thread is about. Your current team leaders are Dirk and Howard. Howard has turned into a nice, well rounded player, but I think he's still young and not battle-tested enough to provide leadership. Dirk is another great talent, but he's not a leader, even though Avery really tried hard last year to make him that. Dirk just has a mental block on that.Actually let me answer that for you and save you some time.
"4 time world champions"
Now, I don't think Dallas is a horrible team or anything like that. I actually think they need a minor leadership tweak and they'll be contenders. But if you think everything is peachy with your team as it is, I honestly think you're setting yourself up for another disappointment in the playoffs.
While I think that this team on paper is better than previous squads, i think the mentality of this team has been somewhat damaged by the two choke jobs, and that other teams around the league have improved much more than the Mavs have improved. I still think that the Mavs will be just fine come playoff time, and will make it at least to the WCF. They seem to play a lot more motivated against the better teams around the league, while they just sit back and do nothing but shoot jumpers against teams that they already know they aren't going to face in the playoffs. But against teams like San Antonio and Phoenix, they attack a LOT more. As long as they make a high seed, and perform well against the playoff teams, I think they will be fine. I would definitely like to see a move though. I would LOVE to make a trade to get Cassell and Maggette in here, or Mike Miller. I'd hate to see Terry go, as he would likely be a part of either trade, but I think that while he has done lots of great things for this team, he has done lots of BAD things for this team as well with his low IQ play.
What is this amorphous "leadership" crap? Because he doesn't make Knute Rockne speeches, the Mavs can't win a le? Get the out of here. You can't do what the Mavs have done without some form of "leadership" qualities. I can't stand this Dr. Phil pop psychology, it's not the reason the Mavs lost their last two series in the fashion that they did.
The series against Miami featured three games that were won by the Heat by a total of six points. A couple different bounces of the basketball or one less atrocious whistle by Bennett Salvatore and the Mavs are champs. Dirk was awesome in the final two games of that series when he needed to be. Did you know Dirk is 5-0 in Game Sevens? Against Golden State, our starting center was out with a torn rotator cuff and Dirk was hobbled by bone spurs. I bet you won't play the leadership card against Tony Parker for shutting it down with bone spurs, but since his team had no chance to do anything without him, Dirk played on those bone spurs, wasn't as effective, his team was eliminated and he was crucified for it. Manning up because it's the postseason and his team needs him, that's not leadership? That's not setting an example for his teammates? "Leadership" is not why Dallas was eliminated the last two times out.
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Just a comment on your sig: Since when does Tracy Morgan play for the Lakers? When is he expected back from that knee injury?
There's teams that grab it by the balls and go win, and there's teams that make excuses for their failures.
Why don't all of you Mavs Homers tell ME which one the Mavs look like right now?
The problem with the Mavs is that there coach is the tough guy. That only works for so long. When there is no tough player the coach gets tuned out.
When the Spurs played Boston the commentators were talking about that. The Spurs don't only have Pop they also have Duncan. The Celtics don't only have Doc Rivers they also have KG. They hold all the players accountable, but I don't see a player like that on the Mavs.
I'd like to give them one more chance before we make a terrible trade, wreck our cap situation and close our window for a le. I don't know who can possibly argue that that was a le team on display last night, but maybe the results are different if we have three of our starters and one of our top reserves in the fourth quarter.
Cuban made a play for Shaq and you can bet he's trying to improve the team now. "We like our team" is posturing so other clubs don't try to rape us. You want other clubs to know you don't NEED to make a move.
Did you expect to beat the Spurs and Suns two years ago? The Spurs looked like at this time last year. Who predicted the Giants would catch fire like they did and roll four straight times in the playoffs? I feel like they've earned one last shot to get it done based on having already beaten a defending champ and made a finals, and having one of the all-time great stretches of basketball the following year. They have it in them. If they fail again, you'll get your wish. There's no shortage of guys who look at the Mavs as a first-class organization and want to play here. And there's no guarantee that Portland, Cleveland, or any of these other teams are going to suddenly dominate the NBA. Dallas itself was proclaimed to be the team of the nineties and look how that turned out.
I love how Dirk develops "bone spurs" in the Golden State series and that's a valid excuse, but then every Mavs fan scoffs at Spurs fans who say anything about plantar fasciitis.
Sorry but the proof is in the pudding. The Mavs have choked & flamed out two years in a row....say what you will, but they were in prime position to make a le run each time, and failed. Excuses ensue.
Either the Mavs as an organization change this culture of excuse-making or we'll never see a championship here.
Get back to me when Dirk's isn't being shoved into your earhole.
Harris is a superstar? And you ing for real? What a stupid .
And if "every piece matters" like you claim, then NO THIS IS NOT THE SAME TEAM THAT MADE IT TO THE FINALS. Last I checked, Marquis Daniels, Adrian Griffin, and Keith Van Horn aren't on the team anymore. Every piece matters.
The bone spurs happened against Milwaukee a month before the season ended. He was never the same after that. They DNP'ed him three times before the season ended to rest him. PF is no joke either.
What is your alternative? Trade for Kidd and gut the roster? The only contracts we have to make it work is Terry and Stack, if you're Rod Thorn, do you take those contracts back?
They ARE trying to make a move, but they're not going to be blabbing about it constantly. "We like our team" is just posturing so they don't cultivate an air of desperation. Don't be surprised if they use their full MLE for somebody who gets bought out.
There's more options than just Kidd. A lot of trade possibilities can work if we give up Devin Harris. And somehow Harris, after half a good season, has skyrocketed from "potential bust" to "untouchable".............REALLY???? THAT QUICK?????
So we're going to pass on many potential trades for a guy that, not six months ago, we were all ing that he may never pan out? In half a season he is now too valuable to trade? are you ing kidding me?
I don't think this team is as good as it was the past two years, and it's frustrating to watch the Lakers get better with Gasol and the Suns go in an interesting direction and make a huge splash with Shaq, but no, I don't think Harris is worth giving up for Kidd. Who do you want guarding the Pauls, Nashes, Iversons, Parkers and Williamses in the playoffs, Kidd or Harris? You can't deny he's a very good perimeter defender, his outside shooting is much better, and he creates major pressure on a defense with his ability to get to the rim. There's no surprise in my mind that we're struggling without him. It's on Donnie and Avery to find a competent backup for him. I don't think any player is untouchable, Dirk, Josh, Devin, or all the way down to Nick Van Fazekas, but IMO Kidd is not worth giving up Devin. Six months ago was six months ago. It's a little silly to call him a "superstar" or "All Star" but PG is not a problem for this team. Backup PG is.
What have they done? I mean, really? They reached the Finals once. That's all they've done. They've been in the WCF before with Nash and Nellie.
Leaders lead by example. They ask for and get the ball and make things happen. They provide the best when the best is needed.
They have balls to take your team through thick and thin.
Dirk has come a long way since he got into the league, and even though Avery (an actual leader, who unfortunately cannot play) has tried hard to make him into a leader, he just doesn't have it in him. I mean, if you want to see one more flameout before you're convinced, that's fine by me.
A couple of different bounces or one less atrocious whistle by some other ref and the Spurs are in the Finals, not Dallas. Excuses don't work. Either you deliver or you don't.
check yourself mono.
this team is a threat to beat anyone when healthy.
missing 3 of the top 7 players (starting pg/c) isnt a reason to play ty in the dog days of a long season? I don't agree.
im all for tweaking, but using the phrase "blow it up" is a knee-jerk of comical proportions.
That's more than most teams. Keep in mind, I'm not arguing Dirk is as good as Duncan, or the Mavs are as accomplished as the Spurs, but the idea is that the Mavs need to wreck their cap situation and gut their roster because of some amorphous leadership deficit that Dirk supposedly has.
Leaders lead by example. They ask for and get the ball and make things happen.
http://www.nba.com/games/20060618/DALMIA/boxscore.htmlThey provide the best when the best is needed.
PLAY-BY-PLAY
(0:00) End Period
(0:00) [DAL] Team Rebound
(0:00) [DAL] Harris Jump Shot: Missed
(0:01) [MIA 101-100] Wade Free Throw 2 of 2 (43 PTS)
(0:01) [DAL] Team Timeout: Regular
(0:01) [MIA 100-100] Wade Free Throw 1 of 2 (42 PTS)
(0:01) [DAL] Nowitzki Foul: Shooting (4 PF) Call by Bennett Salvatore
(0:09) [MIA] Team Timeout: Regular
(0:09) [DAL 100-99] Nowitzki Fade Away: Made (20 PTS)
(0:29) [DAL] Team Timeout: Regular
(0:29) [MIA 99-98] Payton Driving Layup: Made (8 PTS)
(0:36) [MIA] Team Timeout: Regular
(0:52) [MIA] Posey Rebound (Off:2 Def:4)
(0:54) [DAL] Howard Free Throw 2 of 2 missed
(0:54) [DAL] Team Rebound
http://www.nba.com/games/20060620/MIADAL/boxscore.html
Dirk Nowitzki: 29 points, 15 rebounds, 2 assists, 1 blocked shot on 10-22 shooting. But it was his fault they lost.
Terry keeps his hands off Finley's junk and there never even is a Game Seven. Mavs were decisively better head to head against the Spurs that year.A couple of different bounces or one less atrocious whistle by some other ref and the Spurs are in the Finals, not Dallas. Excuses don't work. Either you deliver or you don't.
In a year where the 1-seed and the 8-seed are separated by five games, I do think it's inexcusable to lay that egg in Philly.
If this bad week turns into a bad two or three weeks, the Mavs could easily find themselves fighting it out with GS, Portland, Houston, etc, for the 7/8 seed.
The Mavs are obviously a very good team, but they were a very good team 5 years ago. I'm not satisfied with very good anymore.
34-17 projects out to 55-27, 56-26. I can't imagine that isn't good enough to make the playoffs. Plus, we're like what, 22-6 against the West? Good thing we won't face a ty East team in the Finals should we make it that far, since crap eastern teams on the road seems to be our kryptonite this year.
I'm not saying they're in danger of missing the playoffs. I'm just saying that the West is so compe ive this year that mid-season games against NJ & PHI are more significant this year than in years past. And what happens if Harris aggravates his injury and is out for another month? And this team starts tanking again? If a couple lower seeds make a big run right as we slip, we could wind up a 6 seed or worse.
Playoff positioning isn't everything, but I'd much rather play the Lakers or Suns at home in a Game 7.
If the West stays this tight, there won't be much qualitative difference between a 3 and 6 seed. HCA is nice, but le teams don't need it. If that's the expectation for this club, then they can win just fine without it.
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