If the Mavs need Harris this badly, they aren't a contender

[monosylab1k]

Devin Harris isn't so great of a player that a championship-level team should ever be lost without him.

I'm starting to drink the SpursDynasty Kool-Aid. The Mavs aren't true contenders, plain and simple. When you play with such low basketball IQ at all times, and insist on jacking up jumpers all night, you aren't a contender.

So either we make some moves to put us into contender status, or just blow this team the up.

[Findog]

I'd like the Mavs to make a move to bring in a competent backup at the point, or a legitimate two like Mike Miller, but I don't want Kidd for what it's going to take to get him.

I'd rather they wait until the offseason to "blow things up." What moves would put us into contender status? This team has holes and flaws, but all of these people clamoring for a major shakeup, what do they suggest? Never any specifics. Nobody has an answer it seems, other than "Go get Jason Kidd and the $40 million left on his contract. Who cares if we have to give up half our team, go get him!"

[monosylab1k]

If we're going to make a move for this season, Kidd is the way to go. Even if we give up 4 guys for him, our basketball IQ quadruples. I'm really starting to believe we're the dumbest team in the NBA. Nobody plays "smart" on this team, and I think the reason Avery has such a simplistic isolation offense is because they just don't have the brainpower to run anything more complex.

But we either say " it, let's go for a le right now" and get Kidd, or we just suffer with this until the offseason and blow it all up. Making a move for a backup PG just isn't going to cut it. Mike Miller is nice but does he put us over the top? He's another shooter, and while he has some ability to get to the basket, it's doubtful he'll have much of a chance to do that here.

[Findog]

Spurs fans would love this.

[Findog]

I tried doing one with Josh AND Devin + matching salaries, just to see if it works under the cap, but Devin has a PPP, so I couldn't do it. That's the most feasible option, and I don't know why the Nets take Terry and Stack off our hands. Kidd isn't worth that.

Kidd simply isn't a realistic option, not for us or Jersey.

[Shank]

They either make a big move before the deadline or they ride into the playoffs based solely on their potential to beat some of the better teams and bow out in the 2nd round. Then what? Trot this same out next year so we can be duped again? The fanbase will not stand for it. Isn't the point to win a le? How can you say that this current build of the Mavericks is suited to do just that? There's no heart, no fire, no balls and no sense of urgency to get anything done. Either do what it's going to take to get to the promised land, or we're all doing nothing but jerking off on each other.

Now, I say this and watch them turn around and win against Portland and Phoenix in a B2B this week.

What a ing headache these guys are.

[lurker]

Good lord. You guys are starting to sound like the Spurs fans who turn suicidal after every loss.

[Findog]

They either make a big move before the deadline or they ride into the playoffs based solely on their potential to beat some of the better teams and bow out in the 2nd round. Then what? Trot this same out next year so we can be duped again?

I highly doubt they stand pat in the offseason after a third straight flameout.

The fanbase will not stand for it.

I guarantee you Cuban won't either.

Isn't the point to win a le?

Nobody is a bigger Kidd fan than me. I've only come close once to throwing in the towel on being a Mavs fan and it was the day he was traded. I don't think losing those four guys for him makes us better. Bringing in Kidd for what it would take solves one problem, it creates two or three others. Kidd wants an extension too, if we don't give him one, does he half-ass it like he does now in Jersey? Does bringing in Kidd in exchange for our starting point, our 6th man, our promising power forward and Stack equal a slam dunk like Rasheed to the Pistons? No, it doesn't.

How can you say that this current build of the Mavericks is suited to do just that?

Just about every Western team is flawed. I'm not holding my breath, but I don't see what's feasible right now that makes us better.

[Findog]

Good lord. You guys are starting to sound like the Spurs fans who turn suicidal after every loss.

I'm not the one advocating a Kidd trade. We lost on the second night of a b2b without Stack, Damp, Devin and Josh in the fourth. BFD.

[ElNono]

As it's been said plenty of times, you guys just need a leader out there.
Sam Casell will be available soon, and if you can pry it out of Boston's hands, you might be able to get an experienced leader on the court.

[td4mvp21]

I don't understand why you guys are always so down on the Mavericks? They beat the good teams, they are 15-10 against .500+ teams. Better than my Spurs' 11-14. They play defense and have a bunch of weapons. Devin is a lot to the Mavs, I can see that more now than ever. I don't think you guys should worry too much, I still (unfortunately) see the Mavs making it to the Western Conference Finals. The only questionable teams against them are the Lakers and the Spurs, IMO. They have weaknesses just like every other good team in the West.

[Holmes_Fans]

If this was later in the season I would be freaking out. Devin, Stack and Damp are all out right now, and Howard went out with a back problem in the game today.

[BonnerDynasty]

Spurs fans would love this.

Pull the trigger!


Doooooo it.

[san antonio spurs]

If the Mavs make 13 games winning streak mavs fans will be back to normal. You have a good team and don't need major move at all.

[BillsCarnage]

Good lord. You guys are starting to sound like the Spurs fans who turn suicidal after every loss.

Very true. However, just like the Suns, the Mavs' season ended on a rather sour note last year. Neither team seems to have that edge or moxy they had last season.

[LakeShow]

I have to agree with you guys. I know it's the regular season and I know it doesn't mean much but you still have to play the game. Laying down is a bad habit to get into. I'm not saying the Mavs laid down and I didn't see the game but it is no way in the Mavs should be missing Harris so much when you have Dirk and Howard. It's no excuse! I hate to say it but that Mavs team is shot! It's time for the Mavs to make a big time move or they'll join the lower echelon of teams in the NBA.

[Findog]

I have to agree with you guys. I know it's the regular season and I know it doesn't mean much but you still have to play the game. Laying down is a bad habit to get into. I'm not saying the Mavs laid down and I didn't see the game but it is no way in the Mavs should be missing Harris so much when you have Dirk and Howard.

Stack and Dampier were also out, and Josh went out early in the fourth with a back injury when the game was still in doubt. Crunch time was Dirk, Terry, Barea, Eddie Jones and Diop.

[LakeShow]

Stack and Dampier were also out, and Josh went out early in the fourth with a back injury when the game was still in doubt. Crunch time was Dirk, Terry, Barea, Eddie Jones and Diop.

Oh ok, I take that back. That's 3 starters! That's nothing to be concerned with but I still think they should make a move.

[Findog]

Oh ok, I take that back. That's 3 starters! That's nothing to be concerned with but I still think they should make a move.

I agree, they could use a backup PG as injury insurance for Devin, hope against hope that Cassell gets bought out, or if not, swing something for his backup Brevin Knight. Otherwise, go after Mike Miller, Wally S or Kurt Thomas. This team could use an actual legitimate two or another interior big. Kidd isn't worth what it would cost. I wouldn't "blow it up" until the offseason. I feel this team has earned "one more chance." I'm not overly optimistic, but I don't see a clear frontrunner in the West, other than San Antonio by default. Each team has its flaws.

[LakeShow]

I agree, they could use a backup PG as injury insurance for Devin, hope against hope that Cassell gets bought out, or if not, swing something for his backup Brevin Knight. Otherwise, go after Mike Miller, Wally S or Kurt Thomas. This team could use an actual legitimate two or another interior big. Kidd isn't worth what it would cost. I wouldn't "blow it up" until the offseason. I feel this team has earned "one more chance." I'm not overly optimistic, but I don't see a clear frontrunner in the West, other than San Antonio by default. Each team has its flaws.

I don't know what the fascination is with Jason Kidd at that price. It's not worth it, imo. If the Mavs got Kidd, who do you have that can run with him? You don't have a high flyier and those are the players that work best with Kidd. So I really don't see the reasoning in that. I personally think the Mavs are going to need a Big. Someone that will play the low post all the time. I really don't know what Dirk is doing now a days but I know he won't play the post in the playoffs.

[Findog]

I don't know what the fascination is with Jason Kidd at that price. It's not worth it, imo. If the Mavs got Kidd, who do you have that can run with him? You don't have a high flyier and those are the players that work best with Kidd. So I really don't see the reasoning in that. I personally think the Mavs are going to need a Big. Someone that will play the low post all the time. I really don't know what Dirk is doing now a days but I know he won't play the post in the playoffs.

I really like Kurt Thomas and I can't see how he fits into Seattle's plans long-term. Not only will Dirk not play the post in the playoffs, but he shouldn't be baited into posting up smaller guys when the helpside defender will always rotate over to block his path to the basket. It isn't about him lacking physical courage or an unwillingness to go to the basket, he has very mediocre post moves. He's at his best when he gets the ball on the wing and takes a two-step pull-up jumper before the defense has a chance to converge on him. He's a two in a four's body and the Mavs need to take advantage of that. Tim Duncan has a decent jumper, but you won't see him on the elbow or the high post in the playoffs.

[Findog]

Oh, and Wally S makes 12 million a year, so that. And I don't know how we can get Kurt Thomas either since he makes $8 million and his deal comes off the book this summer. We just don't have the assets rebuilding teams want or need.

[LakeShow]

Oh, and Wally S makes 12 million a year, so that. And I don't know how we can get Kurt Thomas either since he makes $8 million and his deal comes off the book this summer. We just don't have the assets rebuilding teams want or need.

Wally's not the answer. Tell the mental midget (Cuban) to fork over some dollars!

[Findog]

Wally's not the answer. Tell the mental midget (Cuban) to fork over some dollars!

People complain about how lopsided the Gasol to Lakers trade was, but an expiring contract like Kwame Brown is a valuable asset in a trade. It's obvious Dallas doesn't have much in the way of options because they have nothing like that to offer other teams.

[ludda]

OT and has nothing to do with this game, but why does Josh Howard always play only half a game? I read on article on his huge dropoff in stats from the 1st to the 2nd half. Mavs still too dependent on Dirk, not a good sign since teams are better at defending him now.