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Didn't you get the memo?
Basketball is about stats, dunks, tatoos and headbands . . .
Didn't you get the memo?
Basketball is about stats, dunks, tatoos and headbands . . .
Who has he slowed down or stopped this year.
Still waiting.
Jason Terry
Nah, this is a good multi-page thread. Bruce deserves his props; and while many Spurs fans know that D is what has gotten them the championships, they still over-emphasize offense and stats in their thinking when it comes to valuing players. Heck, most of the rest of the NBA do the same thing. Players "talk" D, but put little effort into it, and coaches hardly put enough work into implementing it. It's all about points and highlight reels.
But we can't say this enough: if defense wins championships, Bowen could very well be the Most Valuable Player, not just part of a Big Four. Just look at what he did last year against A.I., Williams, Nash and finally Lebron. No way anyone could stop these guys, but for sure Bowen kept them from going crazy. Parker got the MVP in the end, but in my mind it never would have happened without Bruce!
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I thought it was all about winning and losing...and what cause winning and losing
Relax, don't do it... When you want to suck to it.
Relax, don't do it... When you want to ...
Sounds more like it's about not blowin your load early, or maybe about women who can't come because they're too uptight or have mental block.
Jeezuskrist.
Those numbers are inexcusable.
And Bowen is not the shut-down defender you people make him out to be.
Yesterday, he was a day late and a dollar short against Carter. Bowen's lost a step.
You can't judge Bowen by his stats...that that just isn't fair.
The fear he strikes in most star players causing them to play out of sync is unmatched.
They don't keep track of that.........
Maybe yes -maybe not. But I defer my judgment on that till the end of the season. Whatever his number say, It still doesn't say the fact of how important bowen is to the Spurs' defense. Hustle and great defense can't be measure by stats.
Maybe we have a Big 3.6777777
For some reason, I don't think that song was about women . . .
Call it a hunch.
---> Take it eaaaaaaaaaaasyyyyy
http://youtube.com/watch?v=lyl5DlrsU90
Shoot you with my laser beams.
I think "big twelve" has a "ring" to it personally. , four rings!
All this time I thought it was about the lost art of redirecting an orgasm.
Who cares if you blow your load early?
i really don;t understand all the people being unappreciative on Bruce's contribution... even worse.. the ones that are saying that he should be measured by stats sound like Hawks fans... 4 real... a better way to measure his contribution would be to check the effect he has on the people he guards, their stats when playing on him vs. when not... until this year... i would say on the regular season he always did it great... i sense Bruce for the first time is pacing himself to have the tank as full as he cans come playoff time since he realized he won't ever be given the DPOY award... to to y'all GW and haters saying he is done... he'll show you the juice come playoff time and I'll bookmark this thread to remind y'all premature ejaculation judgments!
Just threw that in for the of it. I prefer to tailor the meaning as far away from guy lovin as possible.
If the NBA for you really is about stats, dunks, headbands and tatoos, the Nuggets (not the Spurs) are the team for you. Personally (and I respect everyone's preferences), I can't help but favor the blue collar, team oriented organizations like the Spurs and the Jazz, and workmanlike stars like Duncan, Bowen, Williams, Nash, Billups and Garnett (and the Stocktons, Malones, Birds and Jordans of the past). I dislike the Lakers (even though I'm a former Southern Californian and Laker fan) and the Cavs bore me, but I begrudgingly respect the work ethic and make-no-excuse at udes of ballers like Kobe and Lebron.
But the accomplishments of guys like Bowen do not show up on the sheets. That's too bad, but the reality in the NBA these days is this: no lockdown defense, no le. There are just too many insanely good offensive superstars, and if you can't do anything about them you might as well lay down and let them run over you.
In a past life I could easily imagine GW as a Celtics fan who tried to prove Bill Russell was overrated by pointing at his stats.
Beatles? ah ... no they were from Liverpool.Oh...THAT big four...I though you were talking about les...
This probably won't help.
I knew the song from Zoolander, but I've never seen this video. These guys were geniusses, they predicted Gladiator, Moulin Rouge, Zoolander, Brokeback Mountain and the Dallas Mavericks in a four-minute-long music video.
I'll do it.
LeBron's average line in the Washington series
- 27.7 pts, 8.5 rbs, 7.5 ast, 1.75 stls, .75 blk, 1.75 turnovers.
- Percentages :8.5/20 (.425) FG, 1/3.75 (.267) 3P, .813 FT
- Hollinger Game Score avg = 24.575
LeBron's average line in the Nets series :
- 24.6 pts, 7.33 rbs, 8.5 ast, 1.17 stls, .33 blk, 2.83 turnovers.
- Percentages : 7.8/18.5 (.423) FG, 1.33/4.33 (.308) 3P, .754 FT
- Hollinger Game Score avg = 19.97
LeBron's average line in the Detroit series :
- 25.6 pts, 9.17 rbs, 8.5 ast, 2.67 stls, .5 blk, 3.17 turnovers.
- Percentages : 8.83/19.67 (.449) FG, .83/2.33 (.357) 3P, .741 FT
- Hollinger Game Score avg = 22.92
total of those 3 series BEFORE San Antonio :
- 26.03 pts, 8.33 rbs, 8.17 ast, 1.86 stls, .53 blk, 2.58 turnovers.
- Percentages : 8.38/19.39 (.432) FG, 1.39/3.47 (.311) 3P, .769 FT
- Hollinger Game Score avg = 22.488
LeBron's average line versus San Antonio :
- 22 pts, 7 rbs, 6.75 ast, 1 stl, .5 blk, 5.75 turnovers.
- Percentages : 8/22.5 (.356) FG, 1/5.5 (.182) 3P, .690 FT
- Hollinger Game Score avg = 10.575
In short, he was worse in every single statistical category : minus 4 points, 1.33 rbs and 1.42 ast from his playoffs average. All his percentages drop dramatically and his turnovers are more than doubled. His game score is less than half his playoffs average.
That's Bruce Bowen's stats for you here sir
(data taken from basketball-reference.com)
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