Compulsive Gambler Files $20M Suit Against Casinos

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Uhh

forget it.

Dude, I know what you were going to say. C'mon, I'm the one always ranting about people not taking personal responsibility, and I already stated that I don't support law suits like this. I'm all for taking responsibility for your actions and owning up to the consequences.

However, our societies try to shield us from the harm caused by: tobacco, alcohol, illicit drugs, bad drivers, etc etc. And yet there has been no slowing of the invasion of our cultures by gambling, which to some unfortunate people is as addictive as heroin. Looks like a double standard to me.

And another thing - the US government won't allow online poker rooms in the US, but they're happy with casinos on every block? What a friggin joke, and a definite double-standard.

[Jimcs50]

Catch 22

Do you cut them off or do you let them have a chance to get some losses back?

Casinos are run by dirty SOBs. They try to get any edge they can and when you are losing, they offer more alcohol and gimmicks to try to get more money out of you, and when you are winning, they try to disrupt you whenever they can.

About 15 yrs ago, I was at the craps table and I was one hot SOB with the dice. I was hitting point after point and the high rollers were winning thousands and thousands of dollars on my roll. The casino was trying every trick in the book to get me off my run. They changed the stickmen, and the dealer, they tried to get the dice changed out. I hit my point 8 times and hit every number numerous times before hitting the point, so the chips were flying. I was betting only about $20-$40 on each number and I made a little over $2200 on that run, so you can imagine how much money the casino lost on the players that were betting $500 or more on each number.

Anyway, my point is, casinos are worse than Congress.

[MannyIsGod]

Dude, I know what you were going to say. C'mon, I'm the one always ranting about people not taking personal responsibility, and I already stated that I don't support law suits like this. I'm all for taking responsibility for your actions and owning up to the consequences.

However, our societies try to shield us from the harm caused by: tobacco, alcohol, illicit drugs, bad drivers, etc etc. And yet there has been no slowing of the invasion of our cultures by gambling, which to some unfortunate people is as addictive as heroin. Looks like a double standard to me.

And another thing - the US government won't allow online poker rooms in the US, but they're happy with casinos on every block? What a friggin joke, and a definite double-standard.

You know why Las Vegas is such a big town? Casinos are illegal in most of the US. It goes on a state by state basis, but dude you really need to do some more research on how the US works before making comments on what our government does or what it allows. Gambling is a state issue, not a federal issue.

Society cannot protect people from anything. It is up to people to protect themselves. Society may TRY to protejct people from the things you mentoined, but they fail miserably. In states where there are no casinos there are somehow still people addicted to gambling. Only in those states these people wind up owing money to people who do things far worse than eliminate clocks or keep the thermostat set at a low level.

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

You know why Las Vegas is such a big town? Casinos are illegal in most of the US. It goes on a state by state basis, but dude you really need to do some more research on how the US works before making comments on what our government does or what it allows. Gambling is a state issue, not a federal issue.

Society cannot protect people from anything. It is up to people to protect themselves. Society may TRY to protejct people from the things you mentoined, but they fail miserably. In states where there are no casinos there are somehow still people addicted to gambling. Only in those states these people wind up owing money to people who do things far worse than eliminate clocks or keep the thermostat set at a low level.

State or federal, it's still regulated by government, no? What does the level of government have to do with anything?

Manny, I've traveled through about a third of the States in the US and I've never had trouble finding a casino or a card room. My point was that the government doesn't even TRY to protect people from casinos, while it does from all sorts of other potential social harms.

You'll notice I said "our societies" too, because the same thing has happened in Australia with poker machines (what you would call "slots") - they were deregulated, now they are in every bar, which has ruined the local music scene and vastly increased the number of people suffering from serious gambling addictions and losing their homes, etc.

I thought you'd agree with me on the hypocrisy of the online poker ban, but then sometimes you just want to argue with me and that's fine.

[MannyIsGod]

State or federal, it's still regulated by government, no? What does the level of government have to do with anything?

Manny, I've traveled through about a third of the States in the US and I've never had trouble finding a casino or a card room. My point was that the government doesn't even TRY to protect people from casinos, while it does from all sorts of other potential social harms.

You'll notice I said "our societies" too, because the same thing has happened in Australia with poker machines (what you would call "slots") - they were deregulated, now they are in every bar, which has ruined the local music scene and vastly increased the number of people suffering from serious gambling addictions and losing their homes, etc.

I thought you'd agree with me on the hypocrisy of the online poker ban, but then sometimes you just want to argue with me and that's fine.

Find a casino in Texas. There's one off in the absolute middle of no where. You've probably had no trouble finding a casino because they're usually in places accessible to tourists. The governemtn should not be in the business of trying to protect people from themselves.

There is no online poker ban here. There is goverment overstepping their bounds where there is no law on the books to support their action and overseas companies voluntarily pulling out of the US market. Yet, there is a reason there has never be a single prosecution over online poker and that is because there isn't a law on the books that makes it illegal regardless of what the justice department may try to say.

I don't go out of my way to argue with you. You just always have to say things about our government that are way off. We don't have casinos on every block and they are severely regulated here. It rubs me the wrong way when people say incorrect things about our country.

[Phil Hellmuth]

Casino's are no different than other businesses that provide consumer goods (or vices so to say). Isolated cases and scare tactics of addiction will not change my opinion on its legality and moral state of affairs.

A consumer has a right to stay away and the casino has a right to do everything in its power to attract that consumer.

[mikejones99]

this needs to be beaten down, stupid

[RuffnReadyOzStyle]

Find a casino in Texas. There's one off in the absolute middle of no where. You've probably had no trouble finding a casino because they're usually in places accessible to tourists. The governemtn should not be in the business of trying to protect people from themselves.

There is no online poker ban here. There is goverment overstepping their bounds where there is no law on the books to support their action and overseas companies voluntarily pulling out of the US market. Yet, there is a reason there has never be a single prosecution over online poker and that is because there isn't a law on the books that makes it illegal regardless of what the justice department may try to say.

I don't go out of my way to argue with you. You just always have to say things about our government that are way off. We don't have casinos on every block and they are severely regulated here. It rubs me the wrong way when people say incorrect things about our country.

, I wasn't even having a go at the US! And I don't only go "to places tourists go to". Let's see. I've driven about 10,000miles around the west on 3 different road trips over a decade and found casinos in every state, every sizable city, and then there are the reservation casinos. Sure, there aren't as many in Idaho (only 163 registered casino hotels - I visited one in C'oeur D'Alene) as in California/Nevada (they are everywhere), and Arizona confines it to reservations only, but don't tell me that casinos aren't within 100 miles of a large percentage of the populace, at least in the West which is where I've traveled most. As for Texas, here a list of "Hotels located in Texas cities with casinos or gambling", of which there are apparently 192 in SA:

http://www.worldcasinodirectory.com/hotels/texas

Now I understand that most of these are pubs with slot machines, but the point is that gambling is all around the place, just as it now is in Australia because it was largely deregulated 10 years ago.

As for "not having a law on the books" to outlaw online poker, that has nothing to do with what I said. Why does the government (at all levels) ban online poker but allow slots, casinos etc all over the place? To protect the interests of the current gambling lobby is my guess (the online poker rooms were owned by new players on the scene).

Didn't you make your living sharping online poker for a while? Doesn't the double standard annoy you?

As for people, you're right, you can't protect them from themselves, but you can minimise the harm, and a good way to do that would be to not allow casinos to exploit gambling-vulnerable people by raising the oxygen level, taking away clocks, building casinos like labyrinths, etc.

Anyway, as usual I must be horribly wrong, so I'll leave it at that.

[mikejones99]

so what, men have to look at pussy everyday and try not to pick the es up, much worse than gambling and pussy is everwhee

[Phil Hellmuth]

As for people, you're right, you can't protect them from themselves, but you can minimise the harm, and a good way to do that would be to not allow casinos to exploit gambling-vulnerable people by raising the oxygen level, taking away clocks, building casinos like labyrinths, etc.

disagree. casino's can do whatever they want and don't have to conform to people who don't know how to handle themselves (or quit).

[Fabbs]

Well now we can see how the suit turns out.
Here is her webpage which will chronicle:
http://mycasinolawsuit.com/

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

As for Texas, here a list of "Hotels located in Texas cities with casinos or gambling", of which there are apparently 192 in SA:

http://www.worldcasinodirectory.com/hotels/texas

Anyway, as usual I must be horribly wrong, so I'll leave it at that.

Those aren't hotels with casinos in them. Most of them offer shuttles or day trips to casinos, i.e., leave from Houston and go to Lake Charles, or stay in Port Aransas and go out on the Texas Treasure Gambling Boat, etc.

I really hope this lady gets beat down in her lawsuit though. People have their vices, hers was gambling. Why was it the casino's job to stop her from gambling? For all they know she was worth a billion dollars, bored, and having a good time.

Did the casinos have a duty of care when she was stealing money from her clients? Give me a ing break!

"They knew I was going for days without eating or sleeping," Taveras said. "I would pass out at the tables. They had a duty of care to me. Nobody in their right mind would gamble for four or five straight days without sleeping."

I guess me and my buddies aren't in our right minds. We do a Vegas trip every year where we go out for three days and basically gamble straight through. Sure, we may take 2-3 breaks for a total of about 8 hours over that time span, but last trip there I played craps for basically 36 hours straight, stopping only to take breaks to go hit the head and watch a hoops game for 2 hours.

I came out slightly ahead over that time frame, but you know what? It wasn't a matter of being compulsive about it, I had a limit and if I would have reached it I would have walked away from the tables.

This has no will power and wants everyone else to take responsibility for it. , she's really a thief. We're supposed to believe it was the fault of multiple casinos she went home from a trip after losing her ass and thought "hmmm, I'll steal some of my clients' escrow cash and go gamble with that and make it all back.'

That's called stupidity, and she's gotten everything she deserves.

[SAGambler]

Dude, I know what you were going to say. C'mon, I'm the one always ranting about people not taking personal responsibility, and I already stated that I don't support law suits like this. I'm all for taking responsibility for your actions and owning up to the consequences.

However, our societies try to shield us from the harm caused by: tobacco, alcohol, illicit drugs, bad drivers, etc etc. And yet there has been no slowing of the invasion of our cultures by gambling, which to some unfortunate people is as addictive as heroin. Looks like a double standard to me.

And another thing - the US government won't allow online poker rooms in the US, but they're happy with casinos on every block? What a friggin joke, and a definite double-standard.

That's only because they can't figure out a way to tax them. If they ever do that, it's katy-bar-the-door.

[MannyIsGod]

, I wasn't even having a go at the US! And I don't only go "to places tourists go to". Let's see. I've driven about 10,000miles around the west on 3 different road trips over a decade and found casinos in every state, every sizable city, and then there are the reservation casinos. Sure, there aren't as many in Idaho (only 163 registered casino hotels - I visited one in C'oeur D'Alene) as in California/Nevada (they are everywhere), and Arizona confines it to reservations only, but don't tell me that casinos aren't within 100 miles of a large percentage of the populace, at least in the West which is where I've traveled most. As for Texas, here a list of "Hotels located in Texas cities with casinos or gambling", of which there are apparently 192 in SA:

http://www.worldcasinodirectory.com/hotels/texas

Now I understand that most of these are pubs with slot machines, but the point is that gambling is all around the place, just as it now is in Australia because it was largely deregulated 10 years ago.

As for "not having a law on the books" to outlaw online poker, that has nothing to do with what I said. Why does the government (at all levels) ban online poker but allow slots, casinos etc all over the place? To protect the interests of the current gambling lobby is my guess (the online poker rooms were owned by new players on the scene).

Didn't you make your living sharping online poker for a while? Doesn't the double standard annoy you?

As for people, you're right, you can't protect them from themselves, but you can minimise the harm, and a good way to do that would be to not allow casinos to exploit gambling-vulnerable people by raising the oxygen level, taking away clocks, building casinos like labyrinths, etc.

Anyway, as usual I must be horribly wrong, so I'll leave it at that.

LOL @ your figure of 192 hotels in San Antonio with gambling. Thats pretty ing funny. I can't believe I didn't respond to this back then, but there are ZERO gambling establishments in San Antonio.

[slowchild25]

That's only because they can't figure out a way to tax them. If they ever do that, it's katy-bar-the-door.

You beat me to it! This is the only reason online poker is "illegal" right now.

As for the lawsuit. It makes about as much sense as suing McDonalds because you are fat or your local drug dealer because of your coke problem. Take responsibility. She could have self excluded herself from every casino near her or looked for several groups to help with her addiction with a simple phone call. If she wants someone to blame she needs to look in the mirror.

[Man of Steel]