I've Never Been so Angry

[JoeChalupa]

If it is as you say, it is only because we've taken the public out of public education. rather than demand the proper action, parents too often pull their kids and leave the system as is for the next poor schlepp to come along.

We need to be engaged in public education from a positive input perspective so that when bad incidents do arise, we have a voice and platform to effect change. Too often, school administrator don't hear from parents except for when little johnny has got some trouble.

Public schools are always in need of helpful volunteers willing to lend a hand, not just enraged parents reacting to a situation.

the truth is you put kids together in most any situation and crap like what happened in this case is likely to happen. it shouldn't be an indictment of the public school system, it should be an indictment of the poor way in which we are raising, or not raising, our kids.

there was a time when kids who did what these kids did would not onlyl get in trouble at school, they would likely get their asses whipped when they got home.

But we can't do that now, can we. we call it child abuse nowadays.

we can't have our cake and eat it too.

I concur. The public school system for all its failure's still puts out top notch students who get accepted into the finest universities in the country. And yes I know all about how home schooled kids do better and that is great but I believe you get out of it what you put in.
Don't mean to try to hijack this thread though.

A child's safety is #1.

[smeagol]

My second-grader was in the restroom in school the other day when he was accosted by a group of older kids (fourth or fifth grade). One held him still while four others took turns punching him. He went back to class and told the teacher (a subs ute)... who did nothing. Didn't take him to the nurse, didn't report the incident - nothing. I've pulled him out of school for the rest of the year - he'll be homeschooled for a month and a half - and next year he'll attend a small private school.

public school.

That sucks bigtime.

I'm sorry to here that, des.

[peewee's lovechild]

I concur. The public school system for all its failure's still puts out top notch students who get accepted into the finest universities in the country. And yes I know all about how home schooled kids do better and that is great but I believe you get out of it what you put in.
Don't mean to try to hijack this thread though.

A child's safety is #1.

It depends on what school district your talking about.

The school disctrict I worked at, the city's only school district, it was pretty ty.

And, when you add up the percentage of students that actually get a decent education, it's dwarfed by the percentage of students who don't get any kind of education.

Overall, the public education system has failed.
And, it continues to fail.

[easjer]

I'm so sorry that this happened. I'm glad some action is being taken, but it shouldn't have to come down to you pulling your child out to protect them.

[lil'mo]

we should not let so many kids in school. they should have to take entrance exams when they are babies and if they are'nt smart enough then get em the outta there and putem to work in the fields

[Nbadan]

we should not let so many kids in school. they should have to take entrance exams when they are babies and if they are'nt smart enough then get em the outta there and putem to work in the fields

[Nbadan]

To some extent, I agree with a lot of this. My husband and I volunteer regularly at both of our kids' schools. But at the same time, this isn't the first time this has happened - it's not even the first time it's happened to my kid. So yes, we're abandoning the system this time in favor of our child's physical and emotional well-being.

Have you reported the past incidents to the school and school district, and if yes, why haven't you sought legal counsel?

[Chris Duel]

My second-grader was in the restroom in school the other day when he was accosted by a group of older kids (fourth or fifth grade). One held him still while four others took turns punching him. He went back to class and told the teacher (a subs ute)... who did nothing. Didn't take him to the nurse, didn't report the incident - nothing. I've pulled him out of school for the rest of the year - he'll be homeschooled for a month and a half - and next year he'll attend a small private school.

public school.

This is so horrible.

That subs ute teacher needs to be suspended for a year and perhaps never work again.

So sorry to hear this. You are right to be taking action on behalf of your child.

[Nbadan]

That subs ute teacher needs to be suspended for a year and perhaps never work again.

Subs ute teachers aren't necessarily representatives of the district, most are just $8-10/hour babysitters, so it's not surprising that they wouldn't know district policy regarding incidents like this...

[BacktoBasics]

I been to private schools and I'll say first hand that they represent well on the surface but there is even less structure and supervision on those levels.

Why:

They actually expect the kids to act responsible and be responsible for their own actions. Neat concept huh...too bad we live in a generation bent on having someone else whipe their asses.

[RandomGuy]

Absolutely agree with all of this.

The public school system is not inherently dysfunctional. If it's broken now, it's because we, as a society, broke it.

I agree.

We as a nation have gone overboard on the individuality crap.

We dont know how to belong to communities anymore.

Name the people on your street. Go on. If you can't name every single person on your block, you are part of the problem.

If you live in the country, and can't name the people who live within 10 miles of your house, you are part of the problem.

[Don Quixote]

I agree.

We as a nation have gone overboard on the individuality crap.

We dont know how to belong to communities anymore.

Name the people on your street. Go on. If you can't name every single person on your block, you are part of the problem.

If you live in the country, and can't name the people who live within 10 miles of your house, you are part of the problem.

Did I just get judged?

Okay. I get it. I am part of the problem! I am a bad person.

But yes, we do go overboard in our individualism. I think it has fascinating implications in our theology and anthropology (theology of man).

[PEP]

Its all due to societys breakdown, family values went down the toilet, personal responsibility is gone, are kids even held back anymore? , just look at some of the posters here who have no regard for morals or values.

They laugh at others misfortunes or mock others religious views, nice people in society.

[peewee's lovechild]

are kids even held back anymore?

Not really.

A very small percentage of kids get held back.

When I was teaching, I was encouraged to pass kids who were flunking. When I refused, they threw the book at me.

So, when the year came to a close, I have all of the flunking kids a circle 70 and all was right in the world. My principal congratulated me on an excellent year.

It really is that pathetic.

[Shaolin-Style]

That sucks. I can't wait to be a teacher, so I can redeem the le from these lazy indifferent es who get tenure and stop caring don't give us a bad reputation.

[ALVAREZ6]

I'm gonna take the other side and say public school is not .

It might be in your area, but that's not because it's the actual public school that makes it , it's just your area. Your community. The kids in a public school reflect the population in that area.

So if you don't live in a bad city, I think public school is much better. I don't understand the parents that spend as much or in some cases more money on their kids' HS education for private schools than a college eduaction. It's paying a of a lot more money to put your kids in a fabricated environment. At least this doesn't make sense in my area, where the public schools have better teachers and produce extremely talented students.

That sucks your kid got attacked like that, that's aweful. But you might as well be saying people, not public school. desflood, do you live in San Antonio, or the suburbs..what's the deal?

[Heath Ledger]

Peewees Lovechild and educator? NOw that is some scary ass right there. Our country is in deep doo doo.

[smeagol]

Peewees Lovechild and educator? NOw that is some scary ass right there. Our country is in deep doo doo.

Yes . . . the same guy that claims all Argies cows . . .

[remingtonbo2001]

That sucks. I can't wait to be a teacher, so I can redeem the le from these lazy indifferent es who get tenure and stop caring don't give us a bad reputation.

Good Luck. You'd be better off obtaining an administrative position or a postion on the school board in order to make effective changes within the structure of a school's policies. Believe or not, most teachers hands are tied down by the system.

In the case mentioned, that is a flaw of the administration, not so much the system. They need to do a better job of hiring qualified professionals. Really, it's the administration which needs to be diciplined for their neglect which caused harm to the child.

[angel_luv]

Deflood-

I am so sorry about what happened to your son. How horrible. I am angry right there with you.
Is your son okay other than the obvious upset of being misued like that?

[peewee's lovechild]

That sucks. I can't wait to be a teacher, so I can redeem the le from these lazy indifferent es who get tenure and stop caring don't give us a bad reputation.

You will soon find out why they become lazy and indifferent.

Take this little bit of advice:

Don't go into it with an idealist at ude.

You can choose to ignore it if you like, but you've been warned.

[peewee's lovechild]

I'm gonna take the other side and say public school is not .

It might be in your area, but that's not because it's the actual public school that makes it , it's just your area. Your community. The kids in a public school reflect the population in that area.

So if you don't live in a bad city, I think public school is much better. I don't understand the parents that spend as much or in some cases more money on their kids' HS education for private schools than a college eduaction. It's paying a of a lot more money to put your kids in a fabricated environment. At least this doesn't make sense in my area, where the public schools have better teachers and produce extremely talented students.

That sucks your kid got attacked like that, that's aweful. But you might as well be saying people, not public school. desflood, do you live in San Antonio, or the suburbs..what's the deal?

What's the median income for your area?

How much revenue does your school district take in?

Now, comapre all of that to the average in the U.S.
You will find that yours is not the norm.

[peewee's lovechild]

You'd be better off obtaining an administrative position or a postion on the school board in order to make effective changes within the structure of a school's policies.

In most cases, not even they can make any effective changes.

[1Parker1]

Desflod I am so sorry to hear that. Almost the same thing happened to my little nephew who's in 2nd grade.

They were in recess and some kid pushed him really hard. He fell to the ground and used his hands to break his fall on the concrete. He had cuts and stuff, told the subs ute teacher inside, and she sent him to the nurse who just washed his hands and told him to go back to class. He comes home, his wrists were all swollen and my sister said what happened? And he told her what happened and that his hands hurt. My sister takes him to the doctor...how about he fractured BOTH his wrists??? And the f-ing teacher or nurse didn't even bother seeing his swollen wrists or even calling my sister to tell her about the incident.

Meanwhile, my youngest nephew (who goes to the same school) the week before was sent home by the same exact nurse because the teacher said he was sneezing and coughing in class so he may be getting sick. He got home, he didn't sneeze or cough once.

My sister in on a mission though.

[BacktoBasics]

Desflod I am so sorry to hear that. Almost the same thing happened to my little nephew who's in 2nd grade.

They were in recess and some kid pushed him really hard. He fell to the ground and used his hands to break his fall on the concrete. He had cuts and stuff, told the subs ute teacher inside, and she sent him to the nurse who just washed his hands and told him to go back to class. He comes home, his wrists were all swollen and my sister said what happened? And he told her what happened and that his hands hurt. My sister takes him to the doctor...how about he fractured BOTH his wrists??? And the f-ing teacher or nurse didn't even bother seeing his swollen wrists or even calling my sister to tell her about the incident.

Meanwhile, my youngest nephew (who goes to the same school) the week before was sent home by the same exact nurse because the teacher said he was sneezing and coughing in class so he may be getting sick. He got home, he didn't sneeze or cough once.

My sister in on a mission though.

That sounds like a great opportunity to secure enough finances that your family, my family and their family will never have to work again.