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Hoo-boy.
This is going to get me stoned by the CoM, but objectively, Manu doesn't have any All-NBA teams (yet) or MVPs.
US virgin islands are consider US in this conversation...=)
Thoughts?
Hoo-boy.
This is going to get me stoned by the CoM, but objectively, Manu doesn't have any All-NBA teams (yet) or MVPs.
Yes.
how many more threads like this?
It's becoming lame
Church of Spurs cheerleaders says yes
Ummm... No?
Hakeem Olajuwon
21.8 points, 11.1 rebounds, 3 blocks, 18 year career
NBA champion (1994, '95); NBA Finals MVP (1994, '95); NBA MVP (1994); Defensive Player of Year (1993, '94); All-NBA First Team (1987, '88, '89, '93, '94, '97); All-NBA Second Team ('86, '90, '96); Third Team (1991, '95, '99); All-Defensive First Team ('87, '88, '90, '93, '94); 12-time All-Star; Olympic gold medalist (1996); One of 50 Greatest Players in NBA History (1996).
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Outside of Africa nd considering Canada=US, its probably a battle between Gino nd Petrovic.
Maybe Top 5.
I'd have to go with Hakeem who is now a U.S. Citizen. However, in his heydey and for all practical purposes should be considered an international player.
As it stands now, Mutombo had a better individual career than Ginobili.
First, why outside of Africa?
Second:
Oh and Shoog, please don't tell me you think Dirk is a better player than Ginobili?? I think Ginobili's inside/outside/will to win/gold medal resume all out perform a 7 footer shooting fadaways.
See, I knew I forgot someone. Who can forget the beatdown on David in the conference finals, unfortunately. The dream is definite #1. As for who falls to #2, is it b/w Dirk, Nash, or Manu? or someone else?
Thinking Detlef Schremf from a stats perspective, maybe even Toni Kukoc in his first 8 years. Manu is much more clutch than either of these two, but from a stats/awards perspective it is close.
Detlef was 14/6/3 in his career, twice 6th Man, thrice All-Star, one All-NBA team. Kukoc won 3 les and was 6th Man once, averaging 15/5/4 during his run with the Bulls.
Drazen, Mutombo, Hakeem, Dirk top my personal list. When it is all said and done, I think Manu could be Top 5.
I thought the question was Top 5 in the NBA? Gold Medals are out of scope...
outside of Africa and Europe, and maybe Asia, certainly
I don't think you can ever really answer that question without seeing the players in reverse roles. I suppose it's not fair to Ginobili to assume he couldn't lead the Mavs to the same places Dirk has led them with the same supporting cast. But we know what Dirk has done as the primary go-to weapon. I'm sure he would trade careers with Manu in a heartbeat, but as far as individual resumes go, you have to give Dirk the upper hand.
I think Nash is better than Manu, personally. And if I had to choose between Dirk and Manu, I'd go with Dirk.
ok but don't start crying when you need some defense and can't afford to choke.
Compared to Nowitzki Ginobili has proved himself as top notch in Euro championships, World Championships, Olympic games and NBA championships..
Nowitzki? Euro cup, regular season NBA, one good playoff year
oh and technically Tony P has accomplished a lil more than Manu to ya know.
Look, you can't question what Ginobili has done from the standpoint of team accomplishments.
But Dirk has multiple first-team All-NBAs and an MVP. Even if you say the MVP was questionable, it's still a greater individual legacy in the NBA at this point.
And KG has a gold medal, while Tim doesn't.
Dirk and Nash have the all stars and mvps. Manu has the rings. If you look at individual stats, then the nod is to nash and dirk. Intangibles, I put nash and manu tied with a dirk a distant third and falling.
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