Phoenix writer complains (yawn...)

[PHXSpursFan]

You're nuts and I'd expect nothing less from a spurs fan. It's widely known throughout the rest of the nba that Gino is the biggest flopper in the league.

Everyone and their mom knows that and you're foolish to deny it.

I never denied that Manu flops. , the Bad Boys perfected it way back in the 80s. However, I'm not sure he's the biggest flopper in the league. My evidence for Steve Nash, is that he took a light graze from Horry's hip, flung himself into a table, got a flagarant called on Horry, and stifled a laugh while on the ground.

If anything, Manu's reputation works against him. We aren't talking about a great 2 OT game, if the refs would have called that foul on Shaq, as he raped Manu going to the hole, late in the 4th.

[Gino]

Since when are the Cubs and Cardinals the worst franchises in sports? The Cubs have one of the most fanatic, loyal fanbases in the nation (every game is nearly a home game for them), and the Cardinals just recently won the World Series, not to mention having one of the most knowledgeable fan bases in all of sports. Wtf is he talking about?

There's this game called "football".

[Str8Ballin]

Manu flops more than a dead fish. well an almost dead fish. cuz if the fish was dead it couldnt flop, but you get the idea

[Gino]

I never denied that Manu flops. , the Bad Boys perfected it way back in the 80s. However, I'm not sure he's the biggest flopper in the league. My evidence for Steve Nash, is that he took a light graze from Horry's hip, flung himself into a table, got a flagarant called on Horry, and stifled a laugh while on the ground.

Homer forum. I wonder if Suns fans believe that Kobe limbo-ed under Raja's arm on purpose and stifled a laugh on the ground.

Put DOWN the kool-aid!

[travis2]

Bills Carnage: Fallacy. Appeal to Belief. You fail.

Str8Ballin: Unmitigated idiocy. You fail.

[Spurminator]

Flopping annoys me too, but a lot of times a player draws a legitimate charge and people call it a flop. For example, Kurt Thomas on Amare's sixth foul.

Oberto is the worst flopper on the Spurs... I don't remember Manu flopping at all in Game 1 but I could be wrong.

[SpurOutofTownFan]

You're nuts and I'd expect nothing less from a spurs fan. It's widely known throughout the rest of the nba that Gino is the biggest flopper in the league.

Everyone and their mom knows that and you're foolish to deny it.

That was a result of character assassination by Karl in 2005. He came up with the concept Manu was a flopper because he couldn't find any way to stop him on the court in a legitimate way.

That's the worst you can do as a coach to a player and the results are out now. Karl is a loser and Manu is a winner and talking about things their moms know and you are foolish to deny it - well that's one!!!

So get the your ing facts straight first.

[BillsCarnage]

I never denied that Manu flops. , the Bad Boys perfected it way back in the 80s. However, I'm not sure he's the biggest flopper in the league. My evidence for Steve Nash, is that he took a light graze from Horry's hip, flung himself into a table, got a flagarant called on Horry, and stifled a laugh while on the ground.

If anything, Manu's reputation works against him. We aren't talking about a great 2 OT game, if the refs would have called that foul on Shaq, as he raped Manu going to the hole, late in the 4th.

So you've determined Nash is the biggest flopper based on once incident??

And btw, Shaq got all ball and the replays showed it. If we're thinking of the same play.

[BillsCarnage]

So get the your ing facts straight first.

What facts are you referring to???

Sorry, but outside of the Spurs kool-aid circle Gino is known as this biggest flopper in the league. That is a fact jack!

Flopping annoys me too, but a lot of times a player draws a legitimate charge and people call it a flop. For example, Kurt Thomas on Amare's sixth foul.

Oberto is the worst flopper on the Spurs... I don't remember Manu flopping at all in Game 1 but I could be wrong.

Flopping has become the en vogue art form of the NBA. Whether it's good or bad just depends on which side you sit on.

[dbreiden83080]

What i find funny about Shaq and the media is that they take everything he says like it is BIG NEWS and it is so serious. When the has SHAQ EVER taken responsibility for a loss or his own poor play?? He is the king of excuses this man. "I had a bad game because everyone flopped like crazy", "The Pistons kicked our ass in the finals because the refs just sucked" he almost never shows any class after a loss. He rarely even shows respect to an opponent. He mainly just talks , and es about who's fault it is when his team loses and he does not get his job done.

[PHXSpursFan]

So you've determined Nash is the biggest flopper based on once incident??

And btw, Shaq got all ball and the replays showed it. If we're thinking of the same play.

Shaq had a foot and a half inside the restricted zone, contact was made, blocking foul should have been called. And of course Manu's "ball" extends all the way up to his elbow.

You are a Suns' fan, so I expect you to be stupid, but I guess I also have to resort to hysteria and name calling like on your forums, so here it goes:

OMG STFU AND LEARN NBA RULES YOU FAT GOT

[dbreiden83080]

So you've determined Nash is the biggest flopper based on once incident??

And btw, Shaq got all ball and the replays showed it. If we're thinking of the same play.

What replays were you watching?? He got Manu's arms and he got the ball. That was a foul, Manu should have been shooting 2 FT's. They put Nash on the line late when Tony barely grazed his elbow and he got 3 ft's.

[DePastino]

Look, for good or bad, flopping is a necessity.

For a flop to be successful, the defender must be in the right position with his feet set. When executed properly, it's a legit defensive play and forces the charge to be called.

Just as in any other judgement call during the heat of battle, the refs don't always get it right.

[Spurminator]

What facts are you referring to???

Sorry, but outside of the Spurs kool-aid circle Gino is known as this biggest flopper in the league. That is a fact jack!



Flopping has become the en vogue art form of the NBA. Whether it's good or bad just depends on which side you sit on.

I don't think flopping is any worse today than it was ten years ago. The subject comes up every year, usually started by a team that is losing.

[BillsCarnage]

Shaq had a foot and a half inside the restricted zone, contact was made, blocking foul should have been called. And of course Manu's "ball" extends all the way up to his elbow.

You are a Suns' fan, so I expect you to be stupid, but I guess I also have to resort to hysteria and name calling like on your forums, so here it goes:

OMG STFU AND LEARN NBA RULES YOU FAT GOT

And as a Spurs fan i'd expect you to resort to childish tactics once you have nothing left to bring. Come back, Noob, when you learn how to have an NBA discussion. Go back to the ASF forum.

[Spurminator]

Look, for good or bad, flopping is a necessity.

For a flop to be successful, the defender must be in the right position with his feet set. When executed properly, it's a legit defensive play and forces the charge to be called.

Just as in any other judgement call during the heat of battle, the refs don't always get it right.

You've illustrated the point I made earlier. 99% of the time, that's not a flop, that's drawing a charge. If you're standing with your feet set and a player collides with you, you are going to fall. It's simple physics.

True flopping usually happens when a player is being backed down on the post, or off the ball where incidental contact is embellished.

[BillsCarnage]

What replays were you watching?? He got Manu's arms and he got the ball. That was a foul, Manu should have been shooting 2 FT's. They put Nash on the line late when Tony barely grazed his elbow and he got 3 ft's.

Oh, a Spurs fan whining about calls or no calls. I guess you can be added to the hypocrite list.

[BillsCarnage]

I don't think flopping is any worse today than it was ten years ago. The subject comes up every year, usually started by a team that is losing.

I'm not the one who brought it up. I rarely get into the flopping debate because it's a waste. Every team has a player or two who do it more than others.

It was the dumbass spurs fan who proclaimed Nash the biggest flopper in the league based on one incident that happened last year.

[Spurminator]

I'm not the one who brought it up. I rarely get into the flopping debate because it's a waste. Every team has a player or two who do it more than others.

It was the dumbass spurs fan who proclaimed Nash the biggest flopper in the league based on one incident that happened last year.

Technically neither of you brought it up. Shaq and your writers did.

[Borosai]

Kirilenko has to be considered the most absurd flopper in the league. When he flops, he FLOPS.

[roycrikside]

Stu Jackson making that comment was totally out of line, and unprofessional. Even if everything Shaq (and that dip Bickley) said was 100% correct, Jackson has no business making that comment. And no, he didn't mean "what a surprise" that Phoenix complained. He was saying that it is no surprise that it happened in San Antonio.

Jackson suspended Bruce Bowen this year, ending Bowen's consecutive game streak, largely because of contact from the Suns' organization. He made up his mind about Bowen's guilt before he had even reviewed the game films.

If the Suns felt like they needed to call Stu Jackson after Game 1, then Jackson is obligated to answer the phone. But his comment displays his bias, and there is no place for that in the league's front office. Stu Jackson is a liability to the league, and it's just a matter of time before he gets outed publicly for some of the he pulls behind the scenes. There's an old saying that "two people can keep a secret... if one of them is dead". And there are lot more than two people who know about Stu Jackson's tactics.

Stern already demoted him by chopping his duties in half. Jackson is supposed to have no involvement in referee issues anymore. But I'd bet my left...arm... that he's involved in this up to his ass. Stern needs to deal with him in the off season. I don't think he would fire him outright, but he can put him in charge of European development, and get him out of operations. Few people outside of Phoenix would object.

Read the article again. Jackson didn't answer the phone and make that sarcastic comment, some office person who answered it said that.

[BlackSwordsMan]

Gotta admit flopping is re ed. It cost houston the game last night.

[Man of Steel]

That damn asshole Shaq is starting to piss me off.

And Fat Boy Mr. Krispy Kreme Shaq--it isn't smart to piss off the Man of Steel...

[hater]

Manu flops more than a dead fish. well an almost dead fish. cuz if the fish was dead it couldnt flop, but you get the idea

hahaha nice touch with the Timmy milk bottle

and sorry but your boy Bell flops just as much or more than Manu.

and steve nash is not too far behind.

[Aggie Hoopsfan]

Stu Jackson making that comment was totally out of line, and unprofessional. Even if everything Shaq (and that dip Bickley) said was 100% correct, Jackson has no business making that comment. And no, he didn't mean "what a surprise" that Phoenix complained. He was saying that it is no surprise that it happened in San Antonio.

Jackson suspended Bruce Bowen this year, ending Bowen's consecutive game streak, largely because of contact from the Suns' organization. He made up his mind about Bowen's guilt before he had even reviewed the game films.

If the Suns felt like they needed to call Stu Jackson after Game 1, then Jackson is obligated to answer the phone. But his comment displays his bias, and there is no place for that in the league's front office. Stu Jackson is a liability to the league, and it's just a matter of time before he gets outed publicly for some of the he pulls behind the scenes. There's an old saying that "two people can keep a secret... if one of them is dead". And there are lot more than two people who know about Stu Jackson's tactics.

Stern already demoted him by chopping his duties in half. Jackson is supposed to have no involvement in referee issues anymore. But I'd bet my left...arm... that he's involved in this up to his ass. Stern needs to deal with him in the off season. I don't think he would fire him outright, but he can put him in charge of European development, and get him out of operations. Few people outside of Phoenix would object.

Did you even read the ing paragraph? It wasn't Stu Jackson who answered the phone. Just some random receptionist or something. Damn.

Jackson did not return phone calls Monday, but when informed about the flopping charges here in San Antonio, the guy who answered the phone at NBA headquarters said with great sarcasm: "What a surprise."