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better to have young pitchers with promise than clearing space for spare veteran pitchers coming off elbow/shoulder surgeryhe's had 2 ing starts. Looks like we're gonna have co-Cy Young winners with Danks and this guy.
better to have young pitchers with promise than clearing space for spare veteran pitchers coming off elbow/shoulder surgery
He was traded to make room for JJ. His two starts compared to JJ's two starts? I'll take Gallarga(sp) all the way.
John Danks
Edison Volquez
Armando Galarraga
Chris Young
For a team that is notorious for having awful pitching, you would think that they wouldnt trade away guys that have potential. The Volquez deal I am fine with and can live with but the other deals absolutely make no sense.
A SP rotation of
Millwood
Young
Padilla
Danks/Volquez/Galarraga (chose 1 or 2 to fill out the rotation, how all 3 guys are traded away is ridiculous)
Nobody is saying CY but you. I don't think he will keep up this place but...its one of a pattern eh?
If you're a team GM and your secretary says JD is on the phone don't you just reach for the phone as fast as you can in glee at the prospects of making a trade with him?
I find it amusing with all of these trades people think that he made wise choices and this farm system will work out down the road. ...if any of them do work it will probably be for another team.
It's selective choosing in order to for the sake of ing, nothing more. If you're gonna look up young pitchers the Rangers have gotten rid of, then at least show some credibility and see what Ricardo Rodriguez & Ryan Drese are up to as well.
thanks for bringing up another failed trade......Travis Hafner
Ryan Drese never was any good. the rangers traded Hafner for a guy that was coming off a 10-9 season with a 6.55 ERA WTF they wanted Drese is beyond me.
The Rangers will give guys (hitters) like Jason Botts, Nelson Cruz, etc...several years at the major league level but when it comes to pitchers they get a few starts in september that determines there future. Why the rangers dont let these guys come up earlier in the season to prove themselves and get a better evaluation of them at the major league level is odd? Instead they let them have 4-5 starts at the end of the season while pitchers named Ismaal Valdes, Jason Jennings, Todd van Poppel, Scott Erickson, Pedro Astacio, Kip Wells, Bruce Chen waste starts
Last edited by sribb43; 04-22-2008 at 02:42 PM.
What we're talking about here is the potential for several colossal miscalculations.
I had forgotten about Hafner...thanks for bringing up another failed trade......Travis Hafner
Ryan Drese never was any good. the rangers traded Hafner for a guy that was coming off a 10-9 season with a 6.55 ERA WTF they wanted Drese is beyond me.
The Rangers will give guys (hitters) like Jason Botts, Nelson Cruz, etc...several years at the major league level but when it comes to pitchers they get a few starts in september that determines there future. Why the rangers dont let these guys come up earlier in the season to prove themselves and get a better evaluation of them at the major league level is odd? Instead they let them have 4-5 starts at the end of the season while pitchers named Ismaal Valdes, Jason Jennings, Todd van Poppel, Scott Erickson, Pedro Astacio, Kip Wells, Bruce Chen waste starts
monosylab1k I know you're a Ranger fan, as am I, but I just can't see how you're ok with JD. Almost every indication from player moves to Washington seem to point to failure. But in the end, Hicks hired him.
What we're talking about here is the potential for several colossal miscalculations.
I had forgotten about Hafner...
monosylab1k I know you're a Ranger fan, as am I, but I just can't see how you're ok with JD. Almost every indication from player moves to Washington seem to point to failure. But in the end, Hicks hired him.
Well the Hafner deal was pre-JD, that one falls on John Hart
John Hart set this team back quite a bit, and Daniels is still cleaning up his mess. He had an atrocious first year as a young GM, but he's shown signs that he learned from his mistakes, he's shown a high baseball IQ, and has done what it takes to build up the farm system. It's still going to be a few years down the line before this team competes for the playoffs, but there's absolutely reasons to be positive. Unless of course you're the typical fairweather Dallas fan who has no reason to be positive unless your team is championship-bound.
While they've certainly made mistakes, and there's alot of things to be upset about as far as team discipline, I think progress has been made with the current GM and manager. There are definitely things to be encouraged about regardless of the results. Again, if you want to for the sake of ing, go right ahead. But you can't blame Daniels/Washington for the massive failings of Hart/Showalter. They're still cleaning up the mess those guys left.
And with Tom Hicks around the team just won't ever get to a Yankees/Red Sox/Angels level. The best we can hope for is White Sox/Tigers/A's. And I think this team is well on their way to getting there.
I will defer to you on this but I could have sworn JD was doing a lot of the work at that time...but I could be wrong.Well the Hafner deal was pre-JD, that one falls on John Hart
I agree with some of what you're saying here but...
Fairweather. Not sure how this area has got that reputation (probably the ticket) but teams here do well ratings and attendance wise doom or not.
Sake of ing. Not sure why you keep using that as a crutch to dismiss some facts.
Daniels/Washington. When JD was hired Hicks said JD was helping him make a lot of decisions so he had experience and wasn't a rookie. And as for Washington...man...the errors this team makes are appalling.
And another thing on JD, yes for sure he is cleaning up a lot of Hart's mess but it seems like he is doing nothing but sweeping dirt from one side of the room to another.
Bull .
Danks might be a good 2nd starter, but it's way too early to call. Volquez will not be this good this year. This is why decisions shouldn't be made in April. What I said when the trade was made still stands - CF Josh Hamilton might be the best offensive player to change teams this offseason. That's how good he is.
This team has bad Karma right now. The starting pitching is good, if Gabbard isn't hurt long. The team has couple of good prospects in the upper minors and they are getting men on base - they're just not cashing them in. All those things will balance out.
I still say that this is a .500 team.
I agree but not at the expense of a starter.
Offense should not be that difficult to find for the launching pad know in Arlington.
Edinson Volquez vs Dodgers last night
7 IP
3 Hits
1 Run
4 BB
7 K
This is going to be a long summer once the NBA playoffs are done (or your favorite team is out). This team looks like trash right now, and I wonder if it'll come to a time sooner than later when they follow the Tigers lead and throw the young kids to the wolves to let them grow up, "300" style.
No not yet, wait until after the Silver boot, I got $250 riding on it.
You know as well as I do that listed attendance numbers don't equal people out at the ballpark. And Dallas is definitely a fairweather city. I went to Mavericks games for years when Reunion was 3/4 empty and 50% of the Metroplex were Bulls or Lakers fans. These days there's more Red Sox fans than Rangers fans when Boston comes to town, and by a significant margin. Nobody gave a about the Stars until a week ago, and they were making the playoffs every year. The only team this city is truly loyal to is the Cowboys.
Until you've actually sat in the big boy chair, you have no experience. Daniels is young and still learning. People like to point to Theo Epstein but they're quick to forget that Epstein inherited a perennial playoff contender and didn't have to rebuild a team from scratch.
And Washington has been here a little more than a year. To knee-jerk and fire him now is basically endorsing the Tom Hicks way of doing things.
This duo has a plan, and they need the time to at least prove that their plan will succeed or fail. To call for a firing right now is continuing what the Rangers have done for the past decade - change direction every time the wind blows.
Did someone say Silverboot??? Mono have you decided what you want to lose?
PSH the Rangers could finish the season 20-142, but I guarantee we'll still own the Silver Boot! They have enough pride to still deliver a hide tanning to the ASSTrolls!
WE will see about that.......come on big mouth, what are the terms?
hmmmm how bout an avatar AND sig bet. The winner owns the loser's avatar and sig from the day after the Rangers win the Silver Boot all the way until after the World Series is over.
monosylab1k
In regards to the "winners town" I would say Dallas has the same problem most big cities have, teams do not have captive audiences here. Its easy for some place like Green Bay to survive with a packed house since thats all they have. If a team in Dallas puts out garbage..people have other options to spend money on. But to say nobody cared about the Stars until a few weeks ago just silly. The Stars took a dip when the same cast of characters where here year after year losing in the first round then the lockout happened. And even then they still did relatively well compared to other clubs.
And this team doesn't need someone to learn on the job. Why can't they get someone with a proven track record? And don't say " well Jon Hart was experienced"...many people had a problem with him in Cleveland and the moment he came here.
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