Is the race really over?

[smeagol]

Yesterday night I heard Hillary raised $10MM in 24 hs. After Tuesday's victory, Hillary appears to be much more confident and Obama is not looking that good.

Is the race really over, the way boutons, dan and others keep shouting out loud on every thread they post in?

[boutons_]

Nothing much has changed. Hillary is still significantly behind numerically.

She, Bill, and her team will spin her first victory in a long time to be tide turning. They have to, because the tide has been all Obama for months.

Obama leads polls in IND they way Hillary was leading polls in PA. Good chance she will lose all remaining primaries, exposing the tide-turning lie.

btw, fwiw, exit polls showed PA people who voted Hillary trusted Obama more by a huge margin.

Hillary will stay Rove-ian low-road and go even lower now that time is running out. She will be very nasty, dishonest, swift-boating, and drag Obama into the Clinton toilet. But she will still lose the nomination.

[clambake]

she's working for mccain now, but she won't admit it.

[JoeChalupa]

It will be over soon but not yet.....not yet.

[101A]

she's working for mccain now, but she won't admit it.

Gonna make her a cabinet member or running mate?

[clambake]

Gonna make her a cabinet member or running mate?

nah, she's gonna destroy the party for him.

[florige]

Nothing much has changed. Hillary is still significantly behind numerically.

She, Bill, and her team will spin her first victory in a long time to be tide turning. They have to, because the tide has been all Obama for months.

Obama leads polls in IND they way Hillary was leading polls in PA. Good chance she will lose all remaining primaries, exposing the tide-turning lie.

btw, fwiw, exit polls showed PA people who voted Hillary trusted Obama more by a huge margin.

Hillary will stay Rove-ian low-road and go even lower now that time is running out. She will be very nasty, dishonest, swift-boating, and drag Obama into the Clinton toilet. But she will still lose the nomination.

It's a shame that no matter who comes out of this debacle, neither one of them will probably not have a shot come the General.

[101A]

nah, she's gonna destroy the party for him.

To what end?

I think she still has a shot at the nomination.

[clambake]

To what end?

I think she still has a shot at the nomination.

sure, but her tactics are soaked in swill. the shine has faded off of this pig.

[George Gervin's Afro]

sure, but her tactics are soaked in swill. the shine has faded off of this pig.

what tactics specifically? are these tactics exclusive to themselves? or do other candidates get away with the same tactics but since they are the clintons they are held to different standards?

[Heath Ledger]

Hillary is gonna use the popular vote spin and how she has won every state with a large population.

[clambake]

clinton would have been expected to be unforthunately drawn into the sty, as opposed to creating it.

[Heath Ledger]

She won the Texas primary.

[MannyIsGod]

Its over Smeagol. I still challenge someone to come up with a conceivable way she'd win the nomination short of an enormous scandal.

Go on, find me one and get back to me. Anyone.

[MannyIsGod]

Oh and of course the news networks aren't saying its over. They want to milk the ratings as long as they can.

And trust me, none of this is going to hurt Obama in the general. The vast majority of the country isn't paying attention right now. Nothing really matters until late August/September. I stopped watching coverage because its so pointless right now.

[JoeChalupa]

Its over Smeagol. I still challenge someone to come up with a conceivable way she'd win the nomination short of an enormous scandal.

Go on, find me one and get back to me. Anyone.

The super delegates can still give the nomination to Hillary. Will it create a scandal? Sure it can. But she still does have a very conceivable way of "getting" the nomination.
She is going to continue to push the theory that Obama simply cannot win the general election because as much as many people will not admit there are many who will not vote for a Black candidate.
Have you seen some of the attack ads the far-right of the republican party are going to unleash against Obama?

I'm watching to see how it all unfolds. But I'm a political junkie.

[Don Quixote]

It's not even close to over. If Hillary were playing under Republican rules (the popular vote winner gets the delegates, period), she'd have already won, due to her victories in Ohio, Texas, New Yawk, California, and now Pennsylvania.

But she's playing under Democrat rules, which means there's no clear winner. She'll likely carry Indiana, and Barack has a good chance of landing NC. But this thing is going to the convention, and, if I were to bet, I would bet on the superdelegates giving the nod to the more electable candidate, which is Hillary.

But the party is in some serious doo-doo either way right now. If Hillary steals the bid, Obama's supporters are going to be really upset that the Messiah is not on the ticket. Obama's supporters view Hillary as a representative of the "politics of old," and "against change." (And they're right!) So perhaps some of them stay home.

On the other hand, if Barack gets the nomination, I wonder how many middle-America, church-going, patriotic, gun-owning Democrats will vote for him. I see quite a few of them defecting to McCain, at least enough to influence the outcome in the general.

Conclusion: We can only pray for the good people of Denver when that convention comes, because we know what happens when radical liberals get angry. One group will be leaving very very angry.

[clambake]

if you're suggesting that the "Messiah" is the most intelligent candidate from any side, then we agree.

[JoeChalupa]

It's not even close to over. If Hillary were playing under Republican rules (the popular vote winner gets the delegates, period), she'd have already won, due to her victories in Ohio, Texas, New Yawk, California, and now Pennsylvania.

But she's playing under Democrat rules, which means there's no clear winner. She'll likely carry Indiana, and Barack has a good chance of landing NC. But this thing is going to the convention, and, if I were to bet, I would bet on the superdelegates giving the nod to the more electable candidate, which is Hillary.

But the party is in some serious doo-doo either way right now. If Hillary steals the bid, Obama's supporters are going to be really upset that the Messiah is not on the ticket. Obama's supporters view Hillary as a representative of the "politics of old," and "against change." (And they're right!) So perhaps some of them stay home.

On the other hand, if Barack gets the nomination, I wonder how many middle-America, church-going, patriotic, gun-owning Democrats will vote for him. I see quite a few of them defecting to McCain, at least enough to influence the outcome in the general.

Conclusion: We can only pray for the good people of Denver when that convention comes, because we know what happens when radical liberals get angry. One group will be leaving very very angry.

I pretty much agree except for the wise cracks.

[xrayzebra]

It's not even close to over. If Hillary were playing under Republican rules (the popular vote winner gets the delegates, period), she'd have already won, due to her victories in Ohio, Texas, New Yawk, California, and now Pennsylvania.

But she's playing under Democrat rules, which means there's no clear winner. She'll likely carry Indiana, and Barack has a good chance of landing NC. But this thing is going to the convention, and, if I were to bet, I would bet on the superdelegates giving the nod to the more electable candidate, which is Hillary.

But the party is in some serious doo-doo either way right now. If Hillary steals the bid, Obama's supporters are going to be really upset that the Messiah is not on the ticket. Obama's supporters view Hillary as a representative of the "politics of old," and "against change." (And they're right!) So perhaps some of them stay home.

On the other hand, if Barack gets the nomination, I wonder how many middle-America, church-going, patriotic, gun-owning Democrats will vote for him. I see quite a few of them defecting to McCain, at least enough to influence the outcome in the general.

Conclusion: We can only pray for the good people of Denver when that convention comes, because we know what happens when radical liberals get angry. One group will be leaving very very angry.

Don, my boy, the dimms have a real dilemma on their
hands. Do they make the "girls" mad or the "blacks"
mad. Both Hillary and Hussein, oops, Obama have a
valid argument when it comes to minorities. Now
they are going to have to decide who can win the big
states. That is the states with the largest number of
electorial votes. When you go through all the states
that have primaries you will find that Clinton leads
Obama 213 to 166. That is substantial. You can see
what the "supers" have to try and figure out. Who
can actually carry those states in the General Election.
I would bet they go with Clinton. But that is my
opinion only.

[DarkReign]

Nothing really matters until late August/September. I stopped watching coverage because its so pointless right now.

Same. Its the reason I havent posted here in some time. I will after the Dem Convention.

[MannyIsGod]

It's not even close to over. If Hillary were playing under Republican rules (the popular vote winner gets the delegates, period), she'd have already won, due to her victories in Ohio, Texas, New Yawk, California, and now Pennsylvania.

But she's playing under Democrat rules, which means there's no clear winner. She'll likely carry Indiana, and Barack has a good chance of landing NC. But this thing is going to the convention, and, if I were to bet, I would bet on the superdelegates giving the nod to the more electable candidate, which is Hillary.

But the party is in some serious doo-doo either way right now. If Hillary steals the bid, Obama's supporters are going to be really upset that the Messiah is not on the ticket. Obama's supporters view Hillary as a representative of the "politics of old," and "against change." (And they're right!) So perhaps some of them stay home.

On the other hand, if Barack gets the nomination, I wonder how many middle-America, church-going, patriotic, gun-owning Democrats will vote for him. I see quite a few of them defecting to McCain, at least enough to influence the outcome in the general.

Conclusion: We can only pray for the good people of Denver when that convention comes, because we know what happens when radical liberals get angry. One group will be leaving very very angry.

This post is so out of touch with reality.

Do you guys not realize that since Super Tuesday Barak has completely out gained Clinton in Super Delegates? In fact I believe she's still negative since that day.

I keep here all this blah blah blah about super delegates but its like you're ignore whats going on. Almost every single day you hear about a SD who throws his hat in for Obama. I'm not even exagerating here, he's gaining about 1 SD a day. The lead she had in super delegates has shrunk to 23! At the rate Obama is gaining them he'll have that eliminated before the end of May.


There are less than 300 super delegates left to declare. She's somehow going to get half of those when she's been in the negative since Super Tuesday? Yeah, not going to happen.

Anyone who doesn't see that this race is over simply isn't paying attention to the delegate math. Feel free to contradict what I say using plausible ways she could gain delegates and spell out how many Supers she'd need if you want. Prove me wrong.

[MannyIsGod]

The super delegates can still give the nomination to Hillary. Will it create a scandal? Sure it can. But she still does have a very conceivable way of "getting" the nomination.
She is going to continue to push the theory that Obama simply cannot win the general election because as much as many people will not admit there are many who will not vote for a Black candidate.
Have you seen some of the attack ads the far-right of the republican party are going to unleash against Obama?

I'm watching to see how it all unfolds. But I'm a political junkie.

So after months and months of a net loss in super delegates she's going to gain them at over a 2:1 rate? Yeah, ok?

If they're going to give it to her, why do they keep declaring for Obama?

[smeagol]

Democrats deserve to lose the general election.

It is freaking unbelievable.

[MannyIsGod]

Here's a graph of what Hillary's SD lead looked like in February. Notice how its over 60? Its under 25 now!!!