Flopping

[WalterBenitez]

1st of all taking charges doesn't equal flopping:
Phoenix draws a lot of charges from basically two guys (Nash/Bell). While Bell is a flopper that'll use his drama skills to draw a whistle Nash is a guy that will actually try to get position,hold his ground and take a hit to draw the offensive foul.
I'm surprised to see Hill so high on that list.
Manu doesn't want to take a hit, his act is worse than Bell's.
Bowen?....well as a fan of basketball i can appreciate his effort and committment to defense.....but he's VERY GOOD at using body language and position in order to draw the O foul.
I do think that when comparing the two teams that the SPURS are the team that employs the flopping technique more often than the SUNS.
The SUNS have been playing undersized for years and used the charge in order to compensate for the lack of a defensive big man in the middle.
IMO of course.
Umberto just can't guard anybody so he's learned the euro ways of defense.

hmmmmm.... phx's charges are pure charges, SAS' charges are flopping, good reasoning

[pooh]

Reggie was the best at doing it and getting away with it. And that YouTube clip...that was highway robbery, that turned the whole series.

[mojorizen7]

hmmmmm.... phx's charges are pure charges, SAS' charges are flopping, good reasoning

Nash's charges are "pure charges" actually. Bell's are not.
Ginobli's are not. Is that better?

[FromWayDowntown]

And that YouTube clip...that was highway robbery, that turned the whole series.

It changed the series only because the Suns players got off the bench and broke a rule that had been in existence for more than 10 years -- one that had a specific and certain penalty for its violation.

You should check yourself -- your Spurs hatred is showing.



never mind. . . .

[Solid D]

Nash's charges are "pure charges" actually. Bell's are not.
Ginobli's are not. Is that better?

Like a child who's daddy does no wrong and can beat up any other dad.

[FromWayDowntown]

Nash's charges are "pure charges" actually. Bell's are not.
Ginobli's are not. Is that better?

Ginobili takes his fair share of legitimate contact without getting calls. It's undoubtedly a price he pays for the flopping he does. But it's impossible to deny that he does take a substantial amount of contact during the course of a game.

And he does take pure charges on many occasions, too. It's not as if Manu is some incapable defender who just flops. He does flop, mind you, but that's certainly not what makes him a great player.

[Strike]

Nash's charges are "pure charges" actually. Bell's are not.
Ginobli's are not. Is that better?

Wow. Do you have a picture of Nash in your wallet with a halo taped to his head?

[O-Factor]

1st of all taking charges doesn't equal flopping:
Phoenix draws a lot of charges from basically two guys (Nash/Bell). While Bell is a flopper that'll use his drama skills to draw a whistle Nash is a guy that will actually try to get position,hold his ground and take a hit to draw the offensive foul.
I'm surprised to see Hill so high on that list.
Manu doesn't want to take a hit, his act is worse than Bell's.
Bowen?....well as a fan of basketball i can appreciate his effort and committment to defense.....but he's VERY GOOD at using body language and position in order to draw the O foul.
I do think that when comparing the two teams that the SPURS are the team that employs the flopping technique more often than the SUNS.
The SUNS have been playing undersized for years and used the charge in order to compensate for the lack of a defensive big man in the middle.
IMO of course.
Umberto just can't guard anybody so he's learned the euro ways of defense.

1st of all, dont' try to defend that Nash isnt a flopper. I mean really.

[O-Factor]

Ahh, Nash's flop. Classic. Arms thrown out for the dramatic effect and all........Good times.

[mojorizen7]

Wow. Do you have a picture of Nash in your wallet with a halo taped to his head?

Yeah,it's the one that says "bad muther er" on it.
You wanna see it?

[Cry Havoc]

Yeah,it's the one that says "ba muther er" on it.
You wanna see it?

Fixed.

[mojorizen7]

[BonnerDynasty]

Bring back handchecking, toughness, and defense into the league.

Until then, stfu and quit crying azsportsfan nubs.

[mojorizen7]

Bring back handchecking, toughness, and defense into the league.

Until then, stfu and quit crying azsportsfan nubs.

I'm all for it. Just get rid of the flopping.

[BonnerDynasty]

I'm all for it. Just get rid of the flopping.

I have to be honest. Flopping is lame. It's okay here or there and damn I love Oberto when he gives a game changing flop, but when everyone is doing it almost every other play it is ruining the game.

[mojorizen7]

And these officials just keep falling for it. I like when a guy flops and the official keeps his whistle tucked and give's the two-armed gesture to "get up and get back on defense you idiot." I forget which zebra used to do that a lot.

[O-Factor]

And these officials just keep falling for it. I like when a guy flops and the official keeps his whistle tucked and give's the two-armed gesture to "get up and get back on defense you idiot." I forget which zebra used to do that a lot.

So do you believe this is the reason the Suns lost game 1 & 2?

[mojorizen7]

So do you believe this is the reason the Suns lost game 1 & 2?

Of course not. SUNS lost game 1 by not intentionally fouling up 3.(D'Antoni)
SUNS lost game 2 because they mentally folded under S.A.'s 2nd half defensive pressure without being able to
a)regain their composure(D'Antoni)
b)get stops on defense themselves(nothing new)

[Solid D]

Phoenix Chatty Cathy
Just pull my string and hear 8 different sentences including:
"That Ginobili is a big flopper."
"We're better than the Spurs"
"Robert Horry is a dirty player"
"All the Spurs do is flop"
"Flop, flop, flop..."
and more

[carina_gino20]

Phoenix Chatty Cathy
Just pull my string and hear 8 different sentences including:
"That Ginobili is a big flopper."
"We're better than the Spurs"
"Robert Horry is a dirty player"
"All the Spurs do is flop"
"Flop, flop, flop..."
and more

You forgot, "Tim Duncan is a crying ."

[O-Factor]

Of course not. SUNS lost game 1 by not intentionally fouling up 3.(D'Antoni)
SUNS lost game 2 because they mentally folded under S.A.'s 2nd half defensive pressure without being able to
a)regain their composure(D'Antoni)
b)get stops on defense themselves(nothing new)

So then suns flopping and spurs flopping are a non-issue then. Why about it?

[mojorizen7]

So then suns flopping and spurs flopping are a non-issue then. Why about it?

Ok Sgt Hulka you go ahead and pretend that flopping isn't a league wide problem. Then you want to add that just because Ginobli's flopping didn't win the game for ya that i have to like it? Ginobli's "technique" is unmistakable at times....like so many others in the league.

[O-Factor]

Ok Sgt Hulka you go ahead and pretend that flopping isn't a league wide problem and that just because Ginobli's flopping didn't win the game for ya that i have to like it.

I like the way you act as if your team doesn't do it. Oh, Im sorry, they are "pure" You know I think you don't really watch the games.

Suns flopping is well do ented here on this forum. Im sure you've seen the stats and youtube clips(the Shaq one from game 1 was hilarious)

[milkyway21]

Flopping is an ART.

[GSH]

1st of all taking charges doesn't equal flopping:
Phoenix draws a lot of charges from basically two guys (Nash/Bell). While Bell is a flopper that'll use his drama skills to draw a whistle Nash is a guy that will actually try to get position,hold his ground and take a hit to draw the offensive foul.
I'm surprised to see Hill so high on that list.
Manu doesn't want to take a hit, his act is worse than Bell's.
Bowen?....well as a fan of basketball i can appreciate his effort and committment to defense.....but he's VERY GOOD at using body language and position in order to draw the O foul.
I do think that when comparing the two teams that the SPURS are the team that employs the flopping technique more often than the SUNS.
The SUNS have been playing undersized for years and used the charge in order to compensate for the lack of a defensive big man in the middle.
IMO of course.
Umberto just can't guard anybody so he's learned the euro ways of defense.

Let's see... the Spurs are so single-minded about defense that they are often accused of being "boring". The Suns have been among the highest-scoring teams in the league for years, because they say " defense" and run-and-gun for 48 minutes.

And yet the no-defense Suns are capable of drawing more charges than the Spurs, who you say are the most prolific floppers in the league. Wouldn't you think that a team that focuses on the defensive end of the court AND flops more than any other team in the league, would show a little more results for their efforts?

What you're saying is that the Spurs flop more than any other team, and they aren't smart enough to realize that it isnt' giving them any advantage?

This has to be some kind of a late April Fool's joke. No one... not even a devoted Suns homer... could be that ing ignorant. Could they?