Vasquez is no longer "afraid of america"?
TIAGO>>>>>>>>>>>>>>VAZQUEZ
TODAY TAU WINS VALLADOLID AND TIAGO NUMBERS ARE: 10PTOS, 7REBOUNDS, 2 ASSINTATS, 3 BLOCKS, 19 VOLUE........GREAT!!!!!!!!!!AND THEN MORE................I´M GOING TO SEE SPURS!!!!!!!!!!
TAU>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>PAMESA AND TIAGO MAKES 19 PTOS, 7 REBOUNDS, 3 ASSISTANTS AND 21 VALUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
19 points 7 boards 3 assists?
Hot damn
What stat does 'value' refer to?
I'm not 100% certain exactly how it works but I think it's like an efficiency rating. I think it's based on various combined stats.
Alright, cool.
If the rating is anything like the Bird formula, then way to go Splitter.
The formula used to calculate the efficiency in Spanish league is close to the NBA's one. The formula is :
(points + rebounds + assists + steals + blocks + fouls drawn) - (FG missed + FT missed + turnovers + blocks against + fouls)
The same formula is used in Euroleague and is called Ranking (Rkg).
For reference , the NBA efficiency formula is :
(points + rebounds + assists + steals + blocks) - (FG missed + FT missed + turnovers)
Now I don't want to derail this thread with formula talk, but...
If my understanding of 'FG missed' is correct - should a player really get penalized twice for getting a shot blocked (FG missed plus block against)?
I think penalising a player for getting his shot blocked is a bit silly.... you would rather a player attack a defender and take it up strong... if you get blocked u get blocked.... chances are you get to the foul line and get the defender in foul trouble over the course of the game.
Efficiency is far from being a perfect stat.
Just an example, a player who missed a three pointer will have -1 in efficiency. If he is fouled on his shoot and misses his three FTs, he will have -3 in efficiency with the NBA formula and -2 with the Euroleague formula. Between missing a three pointer and missing three FTs, the result is quite the same but the efficiency isn't.
Stats like PER are more accurate but the edge of the efficiency is that it is very simple to compute and despite its weaknesses, it gives a good idea on a player's statistical performance.
If you draw a foul, you get a bonus with the European efficiency version not with the NBA version. The European formula helps more aggressive players than the NBA one, that's why I like it more.
IMO, the reason why shot blocked are counted is because Europeans likes symmetrical stats. If you block a shot you get +1, if the opposite happens, you get -1.
No problem with that.Efficiency is far from being a perfect stat.
Just an example, a player who missed a three pointer will have -1 in efficiency. If he is fouled on his shoot and misses his three FTs, he will have -3 in efficiency with the NBA formula and -2 with the Euroleague formula. Between missing a three pointer and missing three FTs, the result is quite the same but the efficiency isn't.
Stats like PER are more accurate but the edge of the efficiency is that it is very simple to compute and despite its weaknesses, it gives a good idea on a player's statistical performance.
Back on topic...
I'm only able to catch glimpses of Splitter in the weekly FIBA recap show here in Asia - so I'm not really sure how to judge his performance in the Spanish League so far.
How's the level of bigman compe ion in that league? Who would you say are the top bigmen in the league and how has Splitter fared so far against them? Thanks!
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Drawing fouls is a crucial part of a game and thats one stat i think the NBA should start tallying or at least including in its statistical formulas - that part i like.
About the blocks against... its a good stat to keep and im really pleased yahoo.com/nba.com and other box scores have started to do so.... but to make it apart of a statistical evaluation isnt necessary.
Getting your shot deflected or blocked is the same as missing a shot.. maybe even more beneficial because its really anyones ball where as a legitimate missed shot gives a greater chance for a defensive rebound...
Anyway i digress... i would rather my player go up strong, get his shot blocked and bet that throughout the game he will get the opposing defense in trouble or get tot he free line...
As opposed to, like most guys do, triple clutch on their way to the basket because they are afraid of getting their shot blocked.
Im not sure i see the advantage of tyring to be 'symmetrical'... but maybe its a European thing as you say... either way i dont think blocks against should be included in an efficiency formula.
Spanish league is the best domestic league outside the NBA but the level of bigmen is still way lower than in NBA. To simplify, bigmen are either athletic or skilled in Spain while in NBA most bigmen are both.
Splitter is having a very solid season in Spanish league and in Euroleague. To me, what makes Splitter interesting is that he has size, skills and athleticism. I have few doubts about his ability to do well with Spurs.
Agree.
Wow, I just ran into this mock draft that had the Spurs taking Darrell Arthur at 26. If he fell into our laps, I'd take him because as many of you saw in the recent NCAA tourny, he has unlimited potential and skills. If he did fall into our laps, I wonder how that would affect our big men and who goes to the Toros. Tim, Kurt, Tiago, Fabs, Ian and Arthur who doesn't need the developmental league.
http://www.mynbadraft.com/2008-NBA-Mock-Draft
I've seen DJ Augustin projected from early to mid twenties, very creative and deadly shot, bit of a defensive liability because of his height.
We may get lucky and have Brandon Rush or Tyler Smith fall to us at 26, that would address the wing situation. I'm partial to either.
Anyways, just wanted to see what the feeling would be if Arthur was on the board at 26.
I think Arthur's a bit too inconsistent and needs a more up-tempo offense to get the most out of his talent. With Mahinmi and Splitter likely on the main roster, I think the Spurs' needs are at the wing and back-up PG.
No way Augustin slips like that, unless measurements or workouts scare teams off. He could go as early as Indiana in the lottery. Collison is a guy who could slip, but I think Chalmers is the one to watch - a likely career back-up, a real defensive presence, shoots well from three-point range. He's not a playmaker, but he wouldn't need to be with Manu on the floor. If he doesn't feel like he'll go first round though, he'll withdraw this year.
Rush would be great, but Smith pulled out yesterday. Afraid he'd fall to the second round.
Arthur is a very nice player who likely won't last until 26.
But UNLIMITED potential and skills? Nay...
I not sure about this draw foul get credit for ranking.
Foul drawn count in the acb or Euroleague efficiency version. Just check with some stat lines if you aren't sold on that.
In French league the efficiency is calculated like in NBA (fouls drawn, fouls made and block against don't count). Maybe it's the same thing in Greek league and that's why you think that fouls drawn don't count in Euroleague or acb.
Maybe you are right but I never hear this I think.
Splitter is nominate for chance be all Euroleague first or second team. Fans have vote and also media members. So they have elect him as possible for first or second team which be announce later.
http://www.euroleague.net/item/31176
If I read the crawl correctly, NBAtv will be showing Tau vs. CSKA Moscow this Friday at 2PM Central.
can anyone tell me if i'm right in saying that there's absolutely no hurdles for Splitter to come to Spurs next season?
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