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I wants suns to make the playoffs I do not want them to have a chance to win the lottery
they will not go far in playoffs anyhow
Nov 7, 2007, Spurs vs Miami
Snaq 17 points, 3 rebounds, 1 assist. Parker 23 points, 8 assists. Ginobilli 25 points, 7 rebounds, 7 assists. Yeah the big lunch bucket sure scared the out of Parker and Ginobilli.
I wants suns to make the playoffs I do not want them to have a chance to win the lottery
they will not go far in playoffs anyhow
48> 23
48> 25
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Math
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1. We don't have to play them halfcourt (even if they are better then they were before) all night long
All in all shaq is unable to play 30+ minutes. Marion was.
2. They (MG, TP) can't penatrate with shaq? He will foul them?
Okay send them to the line. I just wonder how he can guard screen rolls on a top of a a key level. There where we match up.
So it will be adream matchup for Pop - run them with shaq on the floor, outhalfcort them, without that monster shaq in the paint.
btw good math 48>25
btw2. You play longer you can do more.
Shaq's never come out on a pick in his life...
Yeah it'd be one thing if he put them on the line, but he doesn't always. Just a bump from Shaq can lay some dudes out. He can still do that. It's not that easy to foul him out, and there is a price to be paid for it over the course of a series.
I'm not saying he's some insurmountable obstacle, I'm saying he's a of a lot more intimidating, physical, and punishing than Shawn Marion ever was.
If you were playing basketball, who would you rather get hit by, Shawn Marion, or Shaq O'Neal?
Ask Oberto who he prefers...the guys that let him go 11-11 from the field, or the guy that sent him to the hospital...this year.
Wanna bet?
He did but was not much succesfull as he was slow to rotate, so he stuck with permieter guy on permiter.
He can but what that gives him?Yeah it'd be one thing if he put them on the line, but he doesn't always. Just a bump from Shaq can lay some dudes out. He can still do that. It's not that easy to foul him out, and there is a price to be paid for it over the course of a series.
And he is not easy to foul out. I can agree with you when he is playing 25 minutes -> 4 fouls per contest.
And when we talk p&r that will provide some nasty amount of 10-15 foot jumpers. In those 25 minutes Tony and Manu can shoot some huh?
The real question is who you wanna be defended by.I'm not saying he's some insurmountable obstacle, I'm saying he's a of a lot more intimidating, physical, and punishing than Shawn Marion ever was.
If you were playing basketball, who would you rather get hit by, Shawn Marion, or Shaq O'Neal?
Everybody can answer themselves.
Oberto was in hospital?Ask Oberto who he prefers...the guys that let him go 11-11 from the field, or the guy that sent him to the hospital...this year.
Spurs lost?
And Oberto is our first or secon option in the team?
And with Kurt. Umm Pop - shaq in Kurt in, shaq out Oberto in.
I wouldn't call Kurt Thomas a Shaq Stopper, but he can bang with him and won't his pants having to guard him.
whottt has some fantasy of Shaq putting all the Spurs in the hospital. Juwan Howard has put more players in the hospital, maybe that's who you should really be worried about.
Shaq's never come out on a pick? He comes out all the time. You mean Shaq's never gotten back from coming out on a pick.
:yawn we'll just have to wait until they play...until then it's all speculation.
bump
Hmmm...all you are proving to me is that
A. You seem to think this was a routine performance by Parker...it wasn't.
B. You seem to think Shaq sucks in this series...he doesn't.
C. That the decline of Steve Nash, something neither you, nor I, nor anyone else foresaw happening against us, isn't the main reason the Suns are losing this series.
Nash suddenly looks his age...last night was the worst playoff performance by Nash against us...it's why they now look dead...and it had almost nothing to do with Shaq.
PS: One of their starters are injured...read my comments again.
Meanwhile...I suggest you work real hard to understand that 16 points on 50% shooting, 8 boards, and nearly 3 blocks per game...doesn't suck....it's also not the reason the Suns are struggling.
Umm he just bumped it.
Not that he had some kind of kode in these b u m p letters but I don't know.
Brilliant deduction...now, tell me what the name of the thread is...then ask yourself, why am I here?
Spurs have successfully built an entire game plan around Shaq's inepi ude and whottt still thinks it's a great signing.
Spurs have successfully built an entire game plan around Shaq's inepi ude and whottt still thinks it's a great signing.
Shaq's not the reason the Suns are losing this series...only someone who doesn't know much about basketball would attempt to make that claim.
Seriously...your takes have the insight and knowledge of a SportsCenter recap..very superficial...you are seeing what you want to see and not what is actually happening.
Go look at all the newbies on the board...they sound just like you...
Steve Nash's age is showing...that's the main reason the Suns are losing this series.
Gimme a break whottt. Shaq is among the worst pick-n-roll defenders in the history of the league. Pop was probably waiting for the playoffs to expose this, and didn't want to reveal his cards in the regular season.
Anyway, its not like Parker sucked the first couple of games and turned it up yesterday. He's scored at will of the pick-n-roll in all 3 games, as has Manu. Shaq is defenseless: if he shows on the play, he is so slow that the screening big has all day to score off a dunk or a wide open jumper. If he hangs back the guard has an open shot. If they switch (something that Duncan/Oberto did nicely a couple of times and Nash couldn't score) he gets completely embarrassed by the guard.
He isn't athletic enough to do the one thing that would have made it difficult for the Spurs:trap the guard hard and force him outside the 3-point arc before running back to the paint, something the Spurs bigs are able to do. He isn't fast enough to at least contest on a switch. The Spurs have systematically destroyed him in multiple ways. At least Marion could have switched or trapped better. Shaq is just a sitting duck.
He isn't helping them win, wither. The trade did not help them. Now they are stuck with this mountain of a man with an even larger salary, and an even LARGER ego.
I don't know what's funnier...
The fact that picnroll and Warlord think they are among the elite that "get" Shaq is a bad picnroll defender...
Or the fact that they think Phoenix actually defended the picnroll, defended anything well, before trading for Shaq.
Warlord...perhaps you can link me to a post of myself saying Shaq's picnroll defense is going to greatly help the Suns? Hint: Read this thread.
Oh wait...I know what the funniest thing is, the funniest thing is that you think Tony's night was a result of some kind of failure of the defensive execution of the Suns...when in fact, it was a result of them executing their defensive game plan exactly the way they wanted and getting Parker to do what they wanted.
But what's really funny is Tony Parker is referencing the same playoff series and experiences that I am as to why Shaq would be a factor and what's he's(Tony) is doing differently...while Shaq is doing the same things he did in 04 with LA, and he's still doing them effectively, 04 like when you know...his team came back on us after being down 0-2, in spite of the fact that he was a lazy defender even then.
And if you weren't in such a hurry to piss on the Suns that you piss on your own players, including last night's hero, in the process....you'd understand that what Tony Parker did last night was all about Tony Parker and his success...and had little or nothing to do with the Suns.
All that said...Steve Nash is growing old before our eyes, like has happened with several Spurs players before, and you guys don't even see it. He's been playing way past his age for a while now, I mean, do you even know how old he is?
He's starting to show his age.
That is the #1 A or #1 B factor in this series and in last nights game(along with Tony's night of course).
Steve Nash was the worst starter on the court for the Suns last night...you think about that for a second.
Play them the right way.
That all I was asking and I recived it in the playoffs
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The reason you are mad is ...?
That is because of several other factors emerging at this time, that have little or nothing to do with Shaq...
I hate to you guys this...but Shaq played well last night.
nope
He played better in San Antonio
IOW, just because the Spurs are up 3-0, that don't mean you're right.
All you're doing is saying it's because of Shaq...
Oh wait...you're saying it's because the Phoenix Suns used to play D and now they don't
3-0 series leads should come up with warnings that they might make fas of those teams who don't know , think they know .
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