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"Huffington post site is in obama's corner"
supporting Obama? the article was about Clinton exclusively. The writer is agreeing, with "Clinton '92", that the candidate who wins the delegates, as the rules say, is the nominee.
Paul Abrams, HuffPo
Bill Clinton Makes the Strongest Argument AGAINST Hillary's Nomination
Posted April 29, 2008 | 02:18 AM (EST)
In this strangest of political environments, where the exigencies of the moment supersede longer-term considerations, Bill Clinton has made the strongest case AGAINST the nomination of Hillary Clinton.
Remember a few weeks ago when Bill Clinton was telling everyone to "cool it," that Hillary's continuance in the race would have no impact on the November election? Remember the example he used?
Bill Clinton reminded us that he himself was in 3rd place, behind both HW Bush, and Ross Perot, going into the convention and yet he won. [Of course, he neglected to mention that the party with a convention fight has always lost, and that no one was arguing that he, who had won the delegates, ought not be nominated.]
From now until the convention -- and, do not be deluded, Hillary is not going to get out of the race until someone else gets the majority of the votes at the convention -- the Clintons will be arguing that the party needs to pick the strongest candidate, and will refer to polling evidence against McCain when it favors them, and 'logical' arguments when the polling evidence does not favor them, that Hillary is the stronger candidate.
But, Bill told us that going into the 1992 convention he was in third place, that the party unites behind the nominee and, in this political climate, that nominee will win.
The inexorable conclusion is that there is no basis for a determination about who might win the general election.
At least that is what he said a few weeks ago.
That means that the primaries are conducted to determine whom the voters want to be the nominee, period. Not, as the Clintons suggest, to construct an argument for whom should be nominated.
As indicated in "A Primal Scream to Superdelegates: Don't Fiddle While the Progressive Movement Burns, There is No Reason to Delay" (March 14, 2008) and "Superdelegates, How About Some Leadership"? (March 21, 2008), the Clintons have lost the elected delegates, they have lost the number of contests, and almost certainly will lose the popular vote. Moreover, the only measure of victory written into party rules is the delegate count.
The only case left is to the superdelegates, and the Clintons' only argument is 'electability', a position Bill Clinton's logic denies.
As indicated in "The Absurd Arguments of Both (Clinton & Obama) Campaigns" (February 15, 2008), the suggestion that Obama can expand the party because he has won states Democrats usually do not win, or that Hillary wins the states Democrats need to win -- based upon who won which state against the other -- is ridiculous. [It is a measure of how pathetic the MSM is that they discuss this nonsense interminably.]
Hillary herself said at the Philadelphia debate that Barack was electable. Indeed, Ed Rendell, the Hillary campaign chair in Pennsylvania, and Governor of that state, said more emphatically that Barack would carry Pennsylvania in the general election.
Thus, while Barack's numbers against McCain may fall due to the continued internecine warfare that Hillary will continue right through to the convention, Bill Clinton has said that it does not matter, and points to himself as evidence to the contrary.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-a...tml?view=print
Wait a minute.. yopu mean to tell me that the Huffington post site is in obama's corner? I have been to that site ONCE and was amazed to read 15 articles that bashed clinton and one that mildly disagreed with obama.. This is site is about as bad as TownHall.com...
"Huffington post site is in obama's corner"
supporting Obama? the article was about Clinton exclusively. The writer is agreeing, with "Clinton '92", that the candidate who wins the delegates, as the rules say, is the nominee.
I was making a general statement about 90+% of the articles on the site being anti-clinton.. The article mentioned is another 'Clinton can't win so she should get out of the way' articles...
lol maybe because unlike Spurstalk they actually realize how bad the math is for her?
It can happen people. I'm tellin' ya.
Looks like Hilly picks up another one:
CNN) — Missouri Rep. Ike Skelton said Tuesday he will cast his superdelegate vote for Hillary Clinton.
In a statement released by the Clinton campaign, Skelton said he is supporting the New York senator because of "her support in rural America, her commitment to National Security, and her dedication to our men and women in uniform."
Skelton is chairman of the powerful House Armed Services Committee and has served in congress for over 30 years. His state narrowly voted for Barack Obama on February 5, though Clinton won 60 percent of his congressional district.
With Skelton's endorsement, Clinton now holds a 22 superdelegate lead over Obama, 259 to 237, according to CNN's estimate. More than 300 superdelegates have yet to make up their minds.
Skelton is the fourth superdelegate to endorse a candidate Tuesday. Earlier, North Carolina Gov. Mike Easley announced he was backing Clinton and Kentucky Rep. Ben Chandler and Iowa DNC member Richard Machacek announced they were supporting Obama.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/
Somebody, Manny or anyone else please explain to me why despite all the "math" in favor of Obama, superdelegates continue still to support hillary. This is at least the second or third one she has picked up in the last day or two. So Manny, tell me that knowing what the "inevitable" outcome is, they continue to pile up to support Hillary? If this thing was over like Manny and others like him say so convincingly, then why are the people who could make a difference appearing to not be convinced? Anyone?
Denver, we have a problem!
"superdelegates continue still to support hillary"
Did you see how the Clintons treated Richardson? Of course, Richardson could have been actually helping Hillary as the willing sacrificial lamb to scare/keep the other superdelagates to Hillary.
Hillary's superdelegates know they will see retribution from the Clintons if they switch or vote for Obama. Hillary is the establishment Dem candidate. She's $cultivating them and very probably threatening them.
This is not to say, of course, that Obama WILL get shafted of that Hillary WILL somehow manage to wrest the nomination away from the Golden Child. In fact, my money would say it's about 60-40 Obama right now.
Either way, though, the Democrats are going to have a hard time wooing "centrist" voters in the general. And I could see alot of Obama's supporters not voting for Hillary in the general out of principle, and vice versa.
You cannot say that here at ST . . .
Probably true. The problem is, I think independent voters might sit out the general election altogether. McCain's biggest problem is that he has to gain two key cons uencies, each without betraying the other. McCain needs to rally conservatives, and in order to do that, he needs to dispel his maverick reputation. McCain needs to keep the moderates, and in order to do that, he needs to preserve his maverick reputation. At this point, neither group trusts him much, and after the fallout from the Clinton-Obama implosion in Denver, this problem will present itself in a big way. Right now, McCain looks much better than the overexposure given to both Hillary and Barrack.
Not that it matters for me anyways. Texas will vote red, so I am planning on writing in my bird for president and my dog for vice-president. Maybe I'll get serious about in November and vote in my personal favorite, Ron Paul. I can still have a team to root for and do arm-chair analysis like the rest of you.
And I don't think I am alone in the general apathy that the election cycle has already started generating in me. Plenty other non-partisans are starting to not give a anymore who wins.
Um ... sorry. Allow me to rephrase.
You cannot say that here at ST . . .
Obama is certain to win both the Democratic nomination and the Presidency. Not only that, but the heavens will open up and he will ascend into heaven upon his inauguration. Peace and prosperity, and change, will happen for all.
Yeah well I think a pig will fly out of John McCains ass making him completely unelectable. Since we've both backed up our statements with exactly the same about of information and data, I guess they are both about the same likely hood of occurring.
You see Smeagol, its not that you're not allowed to say it, its that if you're going to spew bull maybe you should back it up with something that supports it?
I see that Obama still has true believers out there. That's good.
Actually, however, I think I've said about as much as I want to say about Obama. Let's not beat up on him too much. Let's talk about the Clintons now. So what exactly is the case against them? It's been awhile, refresh my memory.
(CNN) – Pennsylvania AFL-CIO president and superdelegate Bill George announced his support for Hillary Clinton Wednesday.
“Hillary Clinton has the strength and experience to jumpstart the economy and rebuild the middle class,” George said in a statement released by Clinton's presidential campaign. “Working families in Pennsylvania overwhelmingly favored her in last week’s primary, and I feel that she is our strongest candidate to carry Pennsylvania in November and win back the White House.”
George, a Democratic National Committee member since 1996, had been actively courted by Clinton and Democratic rival Barack Obama in advance of his state’s primary last week. Clinton and Obama both addressed the Pennsylvania AFL-CIO convention earlier this month. Clinton defeated Obama in Pennsylvania's April 22 primary.
i think she has a good shot now. NO HE CAN'T!!!!
(CNN) – North Carolina Gov. Mike Easley formally endorsed Hillary Clinton's White House bid Tuesday, saying the New York senator "gets it."
"It's time for somebody to be in the White House who understands the challenges we face in this country," Easley said at a rally in Raleigh with Clinton at his side. "They are significant. I never ever thought the United States of America could get in as much trouble as we have over the last 7 or 8 years."
Easley, a popular two term governor who is unable to run for re-election because of term limits, also praised Clinton for her persistence.
"I've been accused of being persistent, and down right aggravating…but this lady right here makes Rocky Balboa look like a pansy," Easley said.
The endorsement gives the New York senator a symbolic boost in the state she is trailing Barack Obama by double digits. Easley is particularly popular with white, working class voters — a cons uency that has favored Clinton in other primary states. He is the second superdelegate from North Carolina to back Clinton. Six North Carolina superdelegates have endorsed Obama.
Easley is a former backer of John Edwards' White House bid.
A recent ARG poll shows Obama leading Clinton by 10 points in the state.
The best part about this? Obama has THREE today.
4-30-08 - Added Rep. Bruce Braley (IA) for Obama
- Added DNC William George (PA) for Clinton
- Added Rep. Baron Hill (IN) for Obama
- Added Rep. Lois Capps (CA) for Obama
http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/2008...gate-list.html
@ that - seriously.
Here's some more recent history as well
On the 26th its 1 and 1. 2 - 0 for Obama on the 28th. Another split of 2-2 on the 29th.
So thats what, 8 - 4 Obama since the 26th? Thats ing awesome ground that Clinton is gaining. I can see why we're calling this a tie.
4-26-08 - Added Kathy Sullivan (NH)# new NH add-on, for Clinton. Added DNC Charlene Fernandez (AZ) new AZ state vice-chair, for Obama.
4-28-08 - Added Sen. Jeff Bingaman (NM) for Obama.
- Added Fmr. DNC Chairman Paul Kirk (MA) for Obama. He endorsed a while ago but we never had a valid source.
4-29-08 - Added Gov. Mike Easley (NC) for Clinton
- Added DNC Richard Machacek (IA) for Obama.
- Added Rep. Ben Chandler (KY) for Obama
- Added Rep. Ike Skelton (MO) for Clinton
Why aren't you posting the Obama endorsements PeeWee? Why just the Clinton ones? How does one make up a deficit when the other party is getting more? That'd be a pretty sweet trick. Do the Clinton's have that one in the bag?
From top to bottom, from McCain down to the youthful campaign and party staffers who work nearly around the clock to get him elected, the working assumption seems to be that the Democratic contest is over and Obama has won.After her Pennsylvania win last week, the RNC did not send a single e-mail focused on Clinton through Monday. At the same time, the committee blasted out 18 that attacked Obama.http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0408/9964.html“[Obama] is still is clearly the front-runner for the Democratic nomination,” notes GOP strategist Brian Jones, a former top aide on McCain’s campaign. “The math is still clearly in his favor, he leads in fundraising and has the energy in the party behind him. So it makes sense.”
Waiting for Don Quix to call the McCain campaign part of the Obama cult.
I'm not posting them because everyone is pointing out at Hillary's so-called inability to get prominent SDs.
Well, she got the GOVERNOR of North Carolina, a state that Obama is supposed to win by a landslide.
So, have your fun, post all the ROFL smilies that you want, it doesn't change the fact that Hillary is still gaining momentum.
Oh, and by the way, there's a new referendum for the Michigan delegates.
No one said she wont' get super delegates. I've said all along she's not going to get ENOUGH. That lead just keeps dwindling. She's going to need to win them at more than 3:1 to win yet OBAMA is winning them at a 2:1 rate.
I guess you can say Clinton is building momentum if you want. She is gaining after all. Too bad Obama is gaining more.
How is she gaining momentum in superdelegates if he is adding 1 or 2 more per day than her? I guess that's a new definition of political momentum I hadn't heard before.
Um, okay. Sure.
McCain believes in change. And he believes in the future. Yes we can.
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