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KG just punking out vs. player he's supposed to. nothing new here
You say it like I'm a suns fan when in reality I like the Spurs more than the suns, I'm just saying that if Diaw and Amare can get suspended for that last year than Garnett had better get suspended this year for that he completely shoved the ref which is worse than what amare and diaw did last year imo.
KG just punking out vs. player he's supposed to. nothing new here
KG should be suspended. I don't see how anyone can argue against that.
From what I saw, the other players didn't go far enough away from the bench to get suspended.
Agreed. There's some room for interpretation in regards to leaving the bench (I think the wording is "general vicinity.")
KG should be suspended, but I doubt they will do it.
I think, if nothing else, the Duncan-Nies precedent compels the suspension of Garnett. Duncan's contact with Nies was at least in the context of trying to make a play and appeared to be reasonably accidental. In this case, Garnett is undoubtedly in the heat of the moment, but I'm not really sure that makes his case any better. The fact that Duncan's appeared inadvertent didn't buy him any leniency; the fact that Garnett's occurred during a confrontation that he exacerbated (at least in part) doesn't make his contact with the official, inadvertent or not, any more excusable.
The league has a real problem on its hands if it doesn't punish KG. It's saying, in essence, that as long as players are involved in confrontations with each other, they can do things to officials that they couldn't otherwise do. If it chooses against suspending Garnett, the league will have to either: (1) not suspend the next player who pushes an official during a confrontation (untenable, I think); or (2) admit that it made a special exception for Garnett (untenable, without a doubt).
They should update the Gatorade commercial with that shove on the ref.
KP walked onto the court during the altercation. If they go by last year, he'll get a one gamer. If they play favorites, neither will get suspended.
It turns out the contact with an official rule is very much like the leaving the bench rule:
Comments on the Rules
II. Basic Principles
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E. PHYSICAL CONTACT—SUSPENSION
Any player or coach guilty of intentional physical contact with an official shall automatically be suspended without pay for one game. A fine and/or longer period of suspension will result if cir stances so dictate.
People who threw some money on the 40 to 1 odds for ATL to win series are PRAYING for a KG suspension.
Last edited by Phil Hellmuth; 04-29-2008 at 03:08 PM.
One step on the court with no further movement towards the altercation won't get a suspension.
If OJ can get away with murder why cant Garnett play in game 5?
Have the Hawks asked the league to look into it?
It's pretty clear KG should be suspended, but I think that Fuehrer Stern has an out - the ref appeared to initiate contact with KG. He grabbed KG to hold him back, and that's when KG pushed him away.
Not saying that it's a decent excuse, but that may be what the NBA uses to justify not suspending Garnett.
If I was head of the referees' union, I'd be asking the league to look at it.
At this point, the league should be taking it upon itself to look at that play.
too bad Bill Walton is out. I would have loved to see his reaction to this Boston meltdown
Going by memory, but isn't that exactly what Diaw did last year?
I really don't recall Diaw, but Amare ran quite a ways away from the "bench area" -- the phrase give the league a little leeway in interpretation.
I assume butthurt sunfans will be chiming in soon.
They absolutely should. But it may be in their best interest not to, so the Hawks should put a little public pressure on them.At this point, the league should be taking it upon itself to look at that play.
No one's getting suspended. They would have made the announcements already.
Can we stop with this stupid Lakers-Celtics conspiracy bull ? Last I checked the Hawks won two ing games, including the last one which was closely contested until the end. The Celtics are a pretty good team and the reason they won 60+ games is because they are a good ing team, not because Stern is telling the refs to give them all the calls.
from boston globe:
"To make matters worse for the Celtics, it's possible that Garnett and Kendrick Perkins could be suspended for Game 5 for their involvement in a second-quarter skirmish last night. Hawks forward Marvin Williams also is in jeopardy.
After a loose rebound with 7:24 left in the half, a frustrated Garnett gave Atlanta center Zaza Pachulia an elbow after the play was dead. Pachulia retaliated with what appeared to be a head butt. Players on both teams began to bunch up and mouth off, but the coaches ran on the floor to separate them.
Pachulia was given a foul and technical foul while Garnett, Johnson, and Boston's Sam Cassell were assessed technicals.
Replays showed Garnett shoving referee Ed Rush, and Perkins and Williams went on the floor from the bench, which usually means an automatic one-game suspension. "
Yeah, the Lakers never benefit from the league's help.Can we stop with this stupid Lakers-Celtics conspiracy bull ?
Sincerely,
Games 6 + 7, 2002 Western Conference Finals
Spurs lost to the better team in 2001, 2002, and again in 2004. Face it, the 3-peat Lakers were flat out better than the Spurs during that time frame. I liken it to the way the Suns/Spurs rivalry is now (although PHX has never actually won), the Lakers always had the mental edge over the Spurs. 2003 is the only year the Spurs finally got over the hump, and it was because the Lakers lost so many key role players that year. In 2004 they received 4 straight losses in a row.
The only way the league can try to spin this if don't suspend (which would still be a violation of a pretty clear cut rule) is that the ref in question didn't think it was enough contact to warrant sending KG to the locker room.
I'm still trying to wrap my head around why he wasn't tossed. You had the initial scuffle with Pachulia, which warranted 1 tech. Then, after they'd been separated and things were dying down KG starts running his mouth and flaring the situation back up. Even if he hadn't laid a finger on the official I still think he'd deserved an ejection. All eyes have been on Spurs/Suns just waiting for something controversial to happen then they get this. Stern is probably wondering what he did to piss God off that much.
More I think about it, I'm more swayed towards most of your position that he really should be suspended.
I guess the only way I think they can spin it is that KG didn't initiate the contact. Eddie Rush was wrapping his arms around KG first. Not that it's legit, but that's a possibility to explain why they might not suspend him.
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