ummm ... yeah, sure. Why not?
All I'm saying is, Rev. Wright is an issue that's not going to go away. And it's not because the media is spinning it -- it's due to Wright's own words and beliefs. He's a public figure who preaches publicly, and we have the right to analyze what it is he's saying. And, IMHO, the "snippets" are not taken out of context, but rather represent what he truly teaches.
Now, to a postmodern like Obama, to whom words and ideas don't mean anything objectively (the real truth lies in your "feelings" about the matter, or what they subjectively mean to you), I can see why he wouldn't be offended by the guy. Wright's message of hate doesn't mean that to him.
And, like I said, I hope Wright sticks around. Obama ought to stand by his man. Really.
Your feelings for Zebra are noted. Does your diatribe represent your views about middle American conservatives in general? And does this represent the view of Obama supporters overall, or is this just your view?
It's okay if you say yes to either. I just need to be reminded sometimes what Obama people think of us.
Because Bush and Cheney said you can't know them, that's why.
Well, if that's true, then it sucks. I've never said the Bush administration was perfect or particularly transparent. And I've only defended it from some of the stupid and base attacks leveled against it, not giving it thumbs-up for the un-conservative things it has done.
But let's not act like Wright is irrelevant. The loyalty of the long-time pastor and "mentor" of a major presidential candidate is in serious question here. Indeed, this major candidate, like the other Democratic candidate, has a fairly long list of friends whose loyalty to America could reasonably be called into question. And loyalty to America and the Cons ution is such a basic part of the job description of President that it need not even be spelled out (actually, they're in the Oath of Office!). To many conservatives, the issue of loyalty is more important than his tax policy, his stance on health care, etc.
Dude...you are calling out xray and yet you display the very traits that you bash him for.
Specifically, pushbutton diatribe.
Did you know that there are more white people around than black people? Do you think that might have some bearing on your, ummm...facts?
Psst. The relevant stat would be that the poverty rate is higher among white people than among black people. However, that would be incorrect.
If you had bothered to use a little critical thought rather than relying on your talking points, you might have discovered the following:
Poverty rates:
Welfare recipients:
These were pulled from: http://www.publicagenda.org/research...ch_reports.cfm
Pretty good stuff on this site...you might learn something.
I don't really have a dog in this fight, but when someone comes along and makes such a spectacular ass of themselves, well, I just can't help jumping in.
Let me start by stating, everyone gets a pass for initially not knowing that's going on i.e. the Wright comments. Noone knows the guy, so we take the media's spin at face value, 'cause there is supposed to be a trust thing at work with the public. But, when you start the hear that what the media is feeding you is a false narrative, designed to deliberately mislead the public for an attempted character assassination of a Presidential candidate, I think the voting public has an obligation to at least see if it is valid or not. This is after all, a violation of the public trust, and innocent people are put in danger, should some dotty person get the idea to follow through on a death threat or a bomb threat.
Xrayzebra and people like him keep perpetuating the false narrative, to the point where everything regarding the matter is skewed through this flawed prism of reality. The country deserves better. For example.
1. Rev. Wright is unpatriotic
False: He served 6yrs in the marines and navy; A member of the surgical team
that operated on President Lyndon Johnson. He has spent decades in service to
the people in his community.
2. Rev. Wright is a racist, he preaches hate
False: Listen to the full context of the sermons
No consideration is given to context, because many are content with being stuck on stupid. It should be noted, that black folk can care less about some federal program. They want what everyone else wants, . . . equal opportunity to get an education and a job with good pay so they can provide for their families.
Don Quixote,
My views apply to anyone, regardless of race or socioeconomic status, or political affiliations.
TeyshaBlue,
You support my point. Because the poverty rate is higher among blacks, social activists and/or preachers et al, advocate what Rev. Wright preaches, black liberation theology. It is not anti-white, nor does it advocate any belief that blacks are superior, just different in some of the things we do. The core message is one of self help, through education, not self help through welfare. Yet, Rev. Wright is demonized for helping folk take responsibility for their lives.
Because there are more white people in this country than blacks, the amount of subsidies white people get dwarfs what is doled out to blacks. The point is that Xrayzebra et al, have found a convenient scape goat in blaming blacks for benefiting from social programs when in fact, whites make up the majority of the social welfare rolls. Now, if you had bothered to ascertain the context, you would have had the epiphany of a lifetime.
Okay. So does your dim view of the cognitive skills of some Americans extend to non-conservative people as well? Would you say that stupidity is not a commodity dominated by white southern conservatives, but can indeed be accessed by all? And can Obama supporters indeed be mouth-breathers, too, like the rest of us?
And can you elaborate about the stupidity of Americans that has foreigners laughing their hiners off at us on a regular basis? And, do these views of yours represent the beliefs of the Obama campaign, or are they your own?
I make no judgement on Rev. Wright. Don't know the man well enough to make one..but what little I've read of him and his messages,(actually quite a bit, but pales in comparison to his total work) I'd say I'd probably back him.
I don't understand your point, I guess. It follows, logically, that if there is more of one population, then the opportunity exists for that population set to outweigh others in any meaningful comparison. You might have well as said there's more chlorine in this bathtub than in this glass of water..you are making quan ative conclusions based on unweighted data sets.
Your conclusion, more implied causation than anything else, is based upon a false pretense. As I showed you, the percentage of welfare recipients, that is the percentage of the total welfare population, is actually higher for blacks, with whites coming in second. I'm not refuting your point per se, but you need to actually base it upon something other than a very poor quality, faulty conclusion. I can't have an epiphany if the context (?) makes no sense.
Ok, that rant was worth logging on just to read.
I may not always agree with you, but I *will* admit you have the occasional funny way with the english language.
"corporate-lackey parrots" (chuckles)
You are definitely the great generalizer. I'm sure there are many that visit this site, considering the Spurs have many international star players. Ask them a few questions.
Be careful what you cosign.
The point is, some use blacks as a scapegoat when they rail against federal programs and government spending, giving the impression that only blacks benefit from these programs, taking money from hard working taxpayers, when there are more whites in total numbers and gross payments that are paid out.
The conclusion is neither poor quality, nor faulty. It is simply fact.
I have no clue what you just said.
I have to apologize. As a philosopher, I am trained to take facts and inferences from all the areas of study in the attempt to draw general conclusions. I work from the specific to the general.
My question is, does your at ude toward Zebra reflect your at ude toward conservatives in general? I'm asking you. And do your views toward conservatives reflect what Mr. Obama feels about us, or are they your own views?
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