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....ewwwwMistake No. 1: For financial reasons, they traded the No. 21 pick (Rajon Rondo) to Boston.
...........then Rudy Fernandez ..
Seems like he keeps putting the blame on the cheap owner.
....ewwwwMistake No. 1: For financial reasons, they traded the No. 21 pick (Rajon Rondo) to Boston.
...........then Rudy Fernandez ..
Maybe the Suns didn't win a championship, but we'll remember them 100 times more fondly than the brutally efficient and hopelessly bland Spurs, who taught everyone over the years that the regular season doesn't matter...
We'll remember them more fondly every time we look in the rafters of the AT&T Center. The rest is Bill Simmons' public masturbation.
Simmons is just a well spoken ENEMY.
Great breakdown on the stats, a current or prospective players potential, and the Suns back office moves and missed opportunities.
It's funny that through all that dribble and dissecting he never mentions that sometimes a TEAM wins without being the best at a particular measurable stat.
Over the course of a series, be it 4 or 7 games, the strongest will and talent emerges.
A combination of talent and heart will overcome pure talent anyday.
Talent being comparable it is the heart that will drive the CHAMPION.
Just my opinion though.
School them Nawlin's Hornets.... (it is ok to smack them again right...)
I agree, the Joe Johnson fiasco hurt. To this day they've yet to find a half decent backup for nash. I dread the last few and first few minutes of each quarter when I have to watch nash resting his back and markus banks, or barbosa now dribble around and the whole team look confused. The of course the other teams make runs during this period of time hence the spurs and just about anyone else being able to close out quarters better than phoenix.
Of course the offense didn't completely click with Joe, but it was sure a of lot better than Banks or Barbosa.
LOL @ the Celtics making the finals. Keep dreaming asshole.
Sheesh, just another sore loser. Hey, the Spurs have lost playoff rounds -- more than they have won. But do you ever hear them griping about the teams that beat them, and talking about how they were actually so much better than those teams?
Absolutely not. Each time the Spurs failed to reach the finals, they exited gracefully, giving all the credit to the other team, and then talked about what they need to do next year to get better. That's the mark of a true champion.
What is wrong with these Suns' fans?
You think Suns fans are bad? Wait until you likely end up meeting the lakers, those fans will storm your board big time.
Been there done that.
We survived.
Where do you think we got our cojona's.
Please God let us beat the Celtics in the Finals!!!
He's got his panties in a wad because after wetting his pants over the Return of the Blockbuster Trade the Suns and Mavs made disapointing first round exits.
I hate Sarver as much as the next guy, but to rake him over the coals by comparing the Suns lux tax moves to the Celtics getting Garnett? Come one. That's a stretch of epic proportions.
He neglects this little fact when it comes to the Suns failures: THEY WERE A HORRIFIC DEFENSIVE TEAM. You can go back in time, make all the magical moves in Simmons fantasy, and they'd still lose because they couldn't get stops when it mattered because they'd have zero defensive iden y. You can on Sarver and Colangelo all you want, but the game comes down to the guys on the hardwood. Many were the people who could consider them "the most talented" team year in and year out. Whose fault is it that they were never "the best?"
Spurs in 6 over the Celtics.
First, Simmons makes a few errors in his analysis of the Suns draft pick situation, such as where the picks came from, when they were traded, and so forth...
I wrote this a few days back for another site. I posted it here yesterday...
This is far more telling and accurate an account of the draft fiascos...
Granted, so long as D'Antoni remained coach, chances were always great these young players were never developed, played or placed in situations where they could succeed and improve without hurting the Suns regular season win totals, but still...
hmm just sounded like innocent ribbing to me... no need to overreact or feel disrepected considering spurs have won 4 championships and have been the most dominant franchise in sports for the past 10 years...spurs fans are spoiled at this point
Wait just a got damn minute here.
So he compares something that was popular and critically acclaimed but which ultimately sucked (Suns) to something critically and generally unappreciated yet of a high quality (Arrested Development)?
He actually has it backwards there.
I would compare the Suns to:
The Macarena
Betamax
Numerous promising pharmaceuticals which attained FDA approval but later proven to be bogus or even dangerous.
The Spurs. meanwhile, are under-appreciated in their own time but future generations will come to see their true worth. As it was with
Army of Darkness
Bill.... We should just ignore him. He is the biggest Boston fan hiding under the "analyst" cover.
I guess the Spurs should lose next time the play the Suns, because being remembered as 100 times less fun as the Suns isn't worth being better.
And being remembered as champs.
Wait just a got damn minute here.
So he compares something that was popular and critically acclaimed but which ultimately sucked (Suns) to something critically and generally unappreciated yet of a high quality (Arrested Development)?
He actually has it backwards there.
I would compare the Suns to:
The Macarena
Betamax
Numerous promising pharmaceuticals which attained FDA approval but later proven to be bogus or even dangerous.
The Spurs. meanwhile, are under-appreciated in their own time but future generations will come to see their true worth. As it was with
Army of Darkness
you are high.
ps, simmons has resented our entire Domination Session ever since the 97 draft. he's been feeling the fisting ever since.
also, this suns nondynasty will be remembered exactly as fondly as stockton/malone. history remembers winners, not jerkoffs who were pretty successful, yet were completely owned by a contemperary.
it, suns in 11
I don't agree: Suns were pretty happy to get Diaw, who won MIP after the trade while Johnson sucked in Atlanta. B.S is full of B/S on this topic.
Diaw may not have lived up to expectations (until games 4/5) but that seems to be related to Amare's return and to D'Antoni's not knowing how to use him. Diaw is definitely not a sharp shooter compared to Johnson, but -until maybe this year- Suns did not really need another sharp shooter.
More generally, I cannot believe how a columnist can make such f...ing bad comments on the Spurs team.
What an a..holehopelessly bland Spurs, who taught everyone over the years that the regular season doesn't matter, transformed the NBA Playoffs into a flopathon, revived the vile and fan-unfriendly Hack-A-Shaq strategy and did everything short of sending Bruce Bowen out on the court with a chain saw and a taser... the mugging, acting, eye-rolling, flopping, rule-bending and hysterical shrugging
This dude should not attribute the low rating to the spurs. Not all games are played by San Antonio. SA doesn't dictate the way other teams play (at least when they're not playing against them). The defense oriented game has been played by the likes of CHICAGO bulls of the 90's and there were never complaints about it being source of low ratings.
In the same vein, the suns -as amusing as they are - are not always the source of entertainment and high ratings for the NBA. Amusement and entertainment is subjective and can never be attributed to one single factor. In my case - I dont care about the slow down basketball game that SA plays since the only thing that amuse me is the fact that they win their games.
This dude clearly is just desperate to build up phoenix's soaked reputation. Their loss to the spurs for the second straight year only proves that there way of basketball isn't good for the professionals. If they really want to profess this kind of game - they should also be ready to deal with their playoffs woes.
Happy fishing SUNS !!!!
What a biatch!
I've been struggling with a way to articulate this. Here goes...
We might call them slightly different things, but here are the basic components of basketball "talent":
1. Preparation. (Mental and physical. It doesn't matter who you are; it's pretty hard to play at a high level after slamming cough syrup and Gray Goose all night. This is really broad, and it is meant to cover coaching as well as the players.)
2. Skill. (I am thirty pounds overweight, and I can hit 3s and FTs. In other words, shooting is a skill that has almost nothing to do with athleticism.)
3. Intensity/Psychological Toughness. (I really struggled with what to call this. Players in the NBA are all roughly comparable in terms of skill and athleticism. However, we have all seen "can't miss" prospects crash and burn due to lack of maturity, focus, etc.)
4. Height. (Muggsy Bogues aside, you have to be tall enough to ride.)
5. Athleticism. (The big myth, and the reason why I am bothering to write this.)
We might argue about the exact order of these basic elements of basketball "talent," but that is mine, more or less. (Height should probably be first on everyone's list, but there you go.)
The Suns' public image is a product of overvaluing athleticism. IMHO, athleticism is definitely the least important aspect of basketball talent. Obviously, a player has to reach a certain threshold level to even play in the NBA. (Unless your name is Oliver Miller, apparently.) It may look impressive to have a team that can run for 48 minutes and some players who can jump out of the gym, but it doesn't necessarily win basketball games.
I'm not delusional. Athleticism, especially quickness, is important. However, let's look at Tony Parker for a minute. His speed wouldn't matter if he didn't have the skill to finish those circus shots. In contrast, Stoudemire's clear physical advantages are being squandered: He will not take the time to develop his skill set, and he lacks mental toughness/preparation.
Bottom line: The Suns' main problem has been horrific defense. I would also say that they have been completely misevaluated from the beginning. That is, it's not just a case of Joe Sixpack overvaluing their offense, but it's a complete misunderstanding of what basketball "talent" really is.
Wait just a got damn minute here.
So he compares something that was popular and critically acclaimed but which ultimately sucked (Suns) to something critically and generally unappreciated yet of a high quality (Arrested Development)?
He actually has it backwards there.
I would compare the Suns to:
The Macarena
Betamax
Numerous promising pharmaceuticals which attained FDA approval but later proven to be bogus or even dangerous.
The Spurs. meanwhile, are under-appreciated in their own time but future generations will come to see their true worth. As it was with
Army of Darkness
That made my day. Thanks!
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