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Okay, what are we testing? Polling?
Full text of question should read:
Is it logical to conclude that Bush opponents are lying when they say something bad about the administration?
The purpose of this is mostly curiousity on my part, as I am testing a hypothesis.
Last edited by RandomGuy; 05-07-2008 at 02:04 PM. Reason: added full question
Okay, what are we testing? Polling?
Simple question. No trick. I am not testing the polling function, but rather testing the thinking of conservatives. I would do a private poll, but I wouldn't want our liberal posters to confound the results.
Is it logical to conclude that a Bush administration opponent is lying when they say "X" about the administration?
("X" being unflattering)
I am curious as to the thoughts/opinions about conservatives in general.
It might be fun to do a mirror poll for libs along the same lines.
Last edited by RandomGuy; 05-07-2008 at 02:04 PM.
Depends on the question.
Would it be logical to assume that, say, liberals are lying when they talk about the Bush administration? Answer: we don't know, until we get to hear the question.
Simple question. Yes or no.
you might get more conservative response if you call it "pole".
I can answer for all conservatives. yes and no. If a lib says something good about Bush then it is the truth. If a lib says something bad about bush they are evil partisans who don't recognize the greatness of bush.
That's not true at all, but it does depend on the question. It's not a simple yes or no question. Pretty ironic seeing a liberal claim everything is black and white, both of the idiots running for office for your party think everything is a shade of gray.
That's for sure. Obama is probably the first full-fledged postmodern Presidential candidate.
No this is more about intellectual honesty than a yes or no question.
This question is literally black and white.
Either it is logical to conclude that Bush adminstration opponents are lying when they say something bad about the administration or it isn't.
There is no room for gray. This is on/off, yes/no, 1/0.
I am just trying to see who thinks what.
If you find the question too specific, then vote "no", and feel free to say why.
The ultimate intent here is a fairly well-meaning teaching opportunity.
I will do a mirror type poll for the libs, just to be fair.
When I ask the above question, everything was blank
except your comments about a poll/testing.
I would say YES 90% or more of the time.
I would say No. To say YES would be a hasty conclusion.
If the question were, Logical to conclude that Bush opponents mean harm against the admin when they talk about the admin?, then I would say YES.
But lying requires (a) the telling of a non-truth, and (b) knowledge of the actual truth (as opposed to the non-truth), and (c) intent to decieve by subs uting the lie for what one knows to be the truth. As a result, your question commits the logical fallacy known as "the complex question." It rolls several questions into one, making it impossible (or in fact self-incriminating) to answer.
I tried it (the complex question) on my colleague the other day. I asked him, "So, Bob, is it true that you no longer smoke crack behind the student center after lunch?" He laughed, and having taken freshman philosophy many years ago, recognized it for what it was. He said he was under no obligation to answer my question.
Last edited by Don Quixote; 05-07-2008 at 04:48 PM. Reason: needed to clarify
"my colleague"
Logically, no. Case by case, sometimes yes, sometimes no.
It's the age old question: Do political rivals question each other because their positions/policies are bad, or because they're opponents? In an honest political systems, opposing parties would credit each other when appropriate. In our system, the other party never does anything right.
Um, yes. I have a "job." And at this job, and particularly in the schoolhouse, we tend to call each other "colleagues." Run along now."my colleague"
a preacher in a schoolhouse.
i'll be sure to check for breaking news
No, it is not, "...logical to conclude that Bush opponents are lying when they say something bad about the administration...".
Nor, is it logical to conclude that Bush opponents are telling the truth when they say something bad about the administration."
It is only logical to base your judgement, on the veracity of their statements, by comparing them to what is known about the situation about which they speak.
IMO, any time any politician opens their mouth, there is about a 90% chance they are lying about something.
Not only are liberals lying when they criticize the Administration, they are committing treason.
Thanks for the caricature. As always, you grapple seriously with the questions.
I question your devotion to the cause. However, there's no reason to come down too hard on you, it's nothing of which a few stress positions cannot disabuse you.
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