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[Kori Ellis]

Well actually no.
ULEB is an organization which organizes the compe ions Euroleage and ULEB Cup.

But his team isn't a Euroleague team. It's just a Spanish league team that played in the ULEB Cup, correct?

[Kori Ellis]

Here's the Euroleague teams:

http://www.euroleague.net/compe ion/teams

His team isn't one of them.

[Pero]

And FIBA Eurocup is way below ULEB Cup level. But he played in ULEB Cup. But that is below Euroleague level.

[Pero]

But his team isn't a Euroleague team. It's just a Spanish league team that played in the ULEB Cup, correct?

Yes.

[alon504]

This is our forum, if you don't like it then leave.

Got it, ?

- Mars

He's just used to the Hornets forum where heresay isn't allowed. Any items such as this thread is required to have a link. We don't allow personal generalizations. Give the guy a break.

[Obstructed_View]

Well in blowouts in general it's stupid to blame refs.

When the Spurs just got done beating the Suns three out of four years it's really hard to suggest there's some NBA conspiracy, at very least one that's targeting the Spurs.

[Pero]

When the Spurs just got done beating the Suns three out of four years it's really hard to suggest there's some NBA conspiracy, at very least one that's targeting the Spurs.

Well maybe there IS a conspiracy but the Suns just sucked so much in comparison to the Spurs that they couldn't be helped.

[ClingingMars]

He's just used to the Hornets forum where heresay isn't allowed. Any items such as this thread is required to have a link. We don't allow personal generalizations. Give the guy a break.

the thing was you people come into our forum and tell us how to do things. unacceptable. I simply used his own phrase and turned it back on him.

and if you hornet fans haven't awoken to this fact yet, we do things differently at SpursTalk.

- Mars

[Allanon]

Yes.

I have to admit I don't know much about Eurobasketball, only what I read. From what i understand, they're top leagues and nothing to sneeze at

"FIBA EuroCup is the top Men's Basketball compe ion directly run by FIBA Europe. The compe ion was created in 2003 following the defection of several top European basketball teams from the former European Champions' Cup which heralded the formation of the Euroleague under the umbrella of ULEB."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EuroCup

I'm not sure if it's THE TOP league or not, but it should be worth something to win it and be an All-Star player in the league.

[FromWayDowntown]

I have to admit I don't know much about Eurobasketball, only what I read. From what i understand, they're top leagues and nothing to sneeze at

"FIBA EuroCup is the top Men's Basketball compe ion directly run by FIBA Europe. The compe ion was created in 2003 following the defection of several top European basketball teams from the former European Champions' Cup which heralded the formation of the Euroleague under the umbrella of ULEB."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EuroCup

I'm not sure if it's THE TOP league or not, but it should be worth something to win it and be an All-Star player in the league.

D-League All Stars thank you for acknowledging their accomplishments.

[Kori Ellis]

I have to admit I don't know much about Eurobasketball, only what I read. From what i understand, they're top leagues and nothing to sneeze at

"FIBA EuroCup is the top Men's Basketball compe ion directly run by FIBA Europe. The compe ion was created in 2003 following the defection of several top European basketball teams from the former European Champions' Cup which heralded the formation of the Euroleague under the umbrella of ULEB."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EuroCup

I'm not sure if it's THE TOP league or not, but it should be worth something to win it and be an All-Star player in the league.

He doesn't play in Euroleague, which is far and away the best teams. It's not close. It doesn't mean he's a bad player. He's just not playing against the best compe ion.

[SPARKY]

Yeah, superstars of the moment get the calls. More news at 11.

[Pero]

I have to admit I don't know much about Eurobasketball, only what I read. From what i understand, they're top leagues and nothing to sneeze at

"FIBA EuroCup is the top Men's Basketball compe ion directly run by FIBA Europe. The compe ion was created in 2003 following the defection of several top European basketball teams from the former European Champions' Cup which heralded the formation of the Euroleague under the umbrella of ULEB."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EuroCup

I'm not sure if it's THE TOP league or not, but it should be worth something to win it and be an All-Star player in the league.

FIBA is separate from ULEB, like your quote above says. FIBA Eurocup is a weaker leauge than ULEB Cup. Marc Gasol played in ULEB Cup.

The TOP league as you say, is Euroleague (which is under ULEB).

ULEB is an organization, ULEB Cup is a league and Euroleague is a league and they're both under ULEB.

Is it clearer now?

[Allanon]

That's a different question. But getting an all-star for capspace isn't a particularly even deal.

He played 400 more minutes for the Grizzlies, attempted 130 more shots for them, and ended up shooting 40% for them. And he had 33 assists to go with 33 turnovers.

Capspace is sometimes as valuable as a player. It's what the Grizzlies needed above all else since there was an impending sale. Sure if it was straight up, it might have been a stretch, but look at what they got in addition. Critter went 40% on him, that's half the season for a rookie that just got traded. We don't know how good he will be, that' the point, you just can't just say he sucks. The Lakers very much wanted to keep him because he has serious talent...untapped but the talent is there.

So, at best, the Grizzlies got a guy who might be a taller Luis Scola for the All-Star they gave up.

Yeah, I'm still pretty sure that's an incredibly lopsided deal.

I don't really need a crystal ball to foresee that end.

Nope.
1) Very much needed cap space
2) One very excellent guard prospect
3) One of the top Centers in Europe
4) 2 more first round draft picks

In total, the Grizzlies netted basically 4 first round draft picks plus salary cap relief...not bad at all for an All-Star that was taking up money but not getting them anywhere.

It is funny, though, to hear Lakers fans try to justify the amazing talent they shipped out to get Pau. Undoubtedly, if Crittendon had never played for the Lakers, most Lakers fans would know nothing of him and fewer still would have any idea who Marc Gasol is. But because the Lakers shipped them out, they're both burgeoning stars who will help Memphis become compe ive very soon.

It's also equally funny but not amazing that a Spurs fan easily criticizes it as a no value deal without contemplating the future. Both teams got what they wanted. NOBODY, except YOU seems to know the future of Marc Gasol and Critter. That's one of a crystal ball....just saying.

[Allanon]

FIBA is separate from ULEB, like your quote above says. FIBA Eurocup is a weaker leauge than ULEB Cup. Marc Gasol played in ULEB Cup.

The TOP league as you say, is Euroleague (which is under ULEB).

ULEB is an organization, ULEB Cup is a league and Euroleague is a league and they're both under ULEB.

Is it clearer now?

I'm still confused as I thought FIBA was the number one authority.

But in your estimation, is a Eurocup Allstar any good? What league did Dirk, Manu and Tony play for do you know (just curious, I don't know either)

[Pero]

Wait I see now why you're confused. I think you have old info. In 2007 Marc's team won the FIBA Eurocup. But in this season, they're competing in ULEB Cup.

[MiamiHeat]

Can you imagine how fun a Lakers-Suns matchup would have been?

[SPARKY]

Can you imagine how fun a Lakers-Suns matchup would have been?

If you read about basketball in People or Star, I guess.

[Allanon]

Wait I see now why you're confused. I think you have old info. In 2007 Marc's team won the FIBA Eurocup. But in this season, they're competing in ULEB Cup.

See, that's what's so confusing about the Euroleagues...how the heck did they go from the FIBA Eurocup to the ULEB Cup.

So they are in BOTH the ULEB cup (this year) and in the Eurocup (last year)?

How did Marc's team, Girona do in the ULEB cup this year..is it over?

Thanks for all the info, btw.

[Pero]

I'm still confused as But in your estimation, is a Eurocup Allstar any good? What league did Dirk, Manu and Tony play for do you know (just curious, I don't know either)

It's ULEB Cup, not EuroCup.

He played on the EuroCup allstar the previous season. And I don't think it's very good...
ULEB Cup doesn't have an allstar game. But it's a pretty good league.

I think ULEB Cup in comparison to Euroleague is something like Euroleague in comparison to the NBA. While the EuroCup to Euroleague is something like NBDL to NBA (maybe that's too rough).

Dirk and Tony played "nowhere" as far as I recall. Manu played in Euroleague. He won the le in the only season Euroleague had a best of 5 finals. It was a great series. I remember Italians compared that Kinder team to the Lakers. Manu was Kobe, Grifith (sp?) was Shaq, Smodis was Horry...

[Kori Ellis]

See, that's what's so confusing about the Euroleagues...how the heck did they go from the FIBA Eurocup to the ULEB Cup.

So they are in BOTH the ULEB cup (this year) and in the Eurocup (last year)?

How did Marc's team, Girona do in the ULEB cup this year..is it over?

Thanks for all the info, btw.

His team got blown out in the Finals

Here's the box score.

http://www.ulebcup.com/ulebcup/compe...7&gamecode=326

[SRJ]

It is funny, though, to hear Lakers fans try to justify the amazing talent they shipped out to get Pau. Undoubtedly, if Crittendon had never played for the Lakers, most Lakers fans would know nothing of him and fewer still would have any idea who Marc Gasol is. But because the Lakers shipped them out, they're both burgeoning stars who will help Memphis become compe ive very soon.

These are the same fans who overpraise Manu and Tony as to diminish Duncan's accomplishments.

[Allanon]

These are the same fans who overpraise Manu and Tony as to diminish Duncan's accomplishments.

Not me, Timmy's the greatest Power Forward ever as I have said before.

[Allanon]

His team got blown out in the Finals

Here's the box score.

http://www.ulebcup.com/ulebcup/compe...7&gamecode=326

Ouch, that IS a blowout.

It looks like that was the Championship game? If so, they must have done pretty well to get there.

Gasol had 9 & 10 rebounds, not too shabby.

[Pero]

See, that's what's so confusing about the Euroleagues...how the heck did they go from the FIBA Eurocup to the ULEB Cup.

Haha, yeah it's confusing in comparison to the NBA because there it's always the same. So I hope I get how it is here.

Here the only league you play always is your domestic one (unless you're the last team in the standings - then you fall down to a lower league).

I'm not entirely sure how the ULEB Cup and Eurocup thing works, I think you get invited and sign a contract. Could also depend on your team's ranking in domestic league.

But for Euroleage, teams sign contracts for a limited period of time, during that time they can play in Euroleage regardless of their standing in their domestic league.
But when contract runs out, the teams that can get in Euroleage are the top teams in domestic leagues. Something like first 3 from Spain, 2 from Russia, 3 from Italy, 3 from Greece, 1 from Croatia, 1 from Slovenia, 1 from Serbia etc... And the winner of ULEB Cup.
And sometimes there are some exceptions.

This is more or less how it is, unless something changed.
So, it's confusing.

So they are in BOTH the ULEB cup (this year) and in the Eurocup (last year)?

They're just in ULEB Cup, you can't be in both. ULEB and FIBA don't really see eye to eye.

How did Marc's team, Girona do in the ULEB cup this year..is it over?

They got the finals, but there they were destroyed.

Thanks for all the info, btw.

NP.