Clinton Could Win Via Super Delegates, right?

[ChumpDumper]

Clinton is only staying in long enough to pay down some of her campaign's debt.

[PixelPusher]

Hillary Will Drop Out By June 15
Lawrence O'Donnell
Posted May 7, 2008 | 01:18 PM (EST)

A senior campaign official and Clinton confidante has told me that there will be a Democratic nominee by June 15. He could not bring himself to say the words "Hillary will drop out by June 15," but that is clearly what he meant. I kept saying, "So, Hillary will drop out by June 15," and he kept saying, "We will have a nominee by June 15." He stressed what a reasonable person Hillary is.

Everything about our conversation implied that he had already had this reality-based discussion with Hillary. He said the Clinton campaign plan is to collect as many votes and delegates as they can right through June 3, then take no more than a week or so to make their case to the superdelegates. Nothing he said indicated that he actually expected the superdelegates to move to Hillary in the week after the final election. The Clinton campaign has not lost its grip on reality. Yes, Clinton spokespersons publicly seem to be lost on gravity-free planet Clinton, but privately they know the end is near.

[G-Nob]

Time to wrap it up! Hills is loaning money and supes are going to start coming out in the next week for bobo. Let's heal these wounds and stop the spin.

[MannyIsGod]

Um, no. I admit that I am more optimistic about Obama's chances than I was 2 weeks ago, but Obama kicked butt in NC last night, while Hillary barely won in IN.

I've come to the realization, however, that the Super-D's ought to break for the Messiah. It's the path of least resistance for them. But I don't mean to say that it won't go to the convention, because it will. And the convention will be awesome.

Obama cultists, however, still should have concerns about their Leader's overall electability in the general. I'm not sure how he gets blue-collar voters or Catholics (or evangelicals). I'm not sure how voters will somehow overlook the Chosen One's radical friends (Ayers, Wright, and more yet to be uncovered). Not that McCain's campaign is airtight, but an Obama candidacy raises serious problems.

The problem is that the Democratic electorate is seriously divided. The division, however, wasn't caused by Hillary's candidacy, and it sure won't go away because Chairman Dean says so. So, I welcome an Obama candidacy. Really.

The only place any of this exists is in your head. Must be a wonderful place that world. Obama cultists, divided electorates, and lolipop trees!

Here's a hint, provide one ounce of proof to everything you say every once in a while. I'd love to see it.

Don Quixote - Mayor of Imaginationland!

[MannyIsGod]

Its funny - its like people can't look at demographics and realize the way things are going to play out. Indiana was always going to be close, but in reality all the media buzz last night was over ONE delegate. Hardly ground breaking. North Carolina was never going to be anything but an Obama blow out. West Virginia and Kentucky are going to be Clinton victories. Penn was always going to be a Clinton landslide.

This has all been known for quite some time, yet last night and today people are urging Clinton to drop out when nothing has changed. Whatever, let her run the campaign out if she wants, its over, and its been over.

[JoeChalupa]

The Manny is healthy, the Manny is wise.






Barack the Vote!!!!

[Don Quixote]

Obama cultists, divided electorates,

Okay.

In my dealing with Jehovah's Witnesses and other cult groups, I've learned that it's never a good idea to call them "cultists" to their face. It just gets them mad. What I mean to say, then, is "Obama supporter." There. Feel better?

Second, remember that I am on your side! I want an Obama candidacy. For awhile, I was on the fence, but I'll say now that I would welcome Obama being the D-nominee. So, I would suggest that you direct your feminine rage toward the Clintonistas, and not toward me.

[MannyIsGod]

Okay.

In my dealing with Jehovah's Witnesses and other cult groups, I've learned that it's never a good idea to call them "cultists" to their face. It just gets them mad. What I mean to say, then, is "Obama supporter." There. Feel better?

Second, remember that I am on your side! I want an Obama candidacy. For awhile, I was on the fence, but I'll say now that I would welcome Obama being the D-nominee. So, I would suggest that you direct your feminine rage toward the Clintonistas, and not toward me.

Sorry my rage is usually directly attributable to those of us around here who have no sense and display characteristics of high mental re ation. I know its not your fault you have downs syndrome. I'll lay off.

[Ignignokt]

Sorry my rage.......



is usually directly attributable to those of us around here who have no sense and display characteristics of high mental re ation. I know its not your fault you have downs syndrome. I'll lay off.

[RandomGuy]

I'm not talking about Clinton beating Obama. I read all your posts and concluded you are right. There is no chance Obama loses the nomination.

What I'm talking about is democrats going against denmocrats because of the animonisity between sides.

My gut is that the animosity will pass.

From my experience at the county convention for Hays county, we had a bit of rancor here and there.

BUT

When someone said the magic words "George Bush" in front of them, it is like waving a red flag infront of a bull. A couple of "rag on GW" bits in the speeches brought standing ovations. The only thing this administration has NOT ed up in 7 years is in energizing the Democratic electorate. They have proven remarkably successful at that.

Remember, George Bush is a uniter, not a divider.

[RandomGuy]

Sorry my rage is usually directly attributable to those of us around here who have no sense and display characteristics of high mental re ation. I know its not your fault you have downs syndrome. I'll lay off.

Besides, I think we all agree that there is another candidate out there for whom the phrase "cult following" is a waaaaay more apt.

[JoeChalupa]

Sorry my rage is usually directly attributable to those of us around here who have no sense and display characteristics of high mental re ation. I know its not your fault you have downs syndrome. I'll lay off.

We are all guilty.

[RandomGuy]

So the next time you hear Clinton or Obama or any other Democrat talk about making the rich "pay their fair share," ask yourself how it benefits you to have the job creators of our society punished for their prosperity. Ask yourself how stifling the growth of our economy helps your lot in life. And ask yourself how a party that is more interested in equality and fairness than in freedom and opportunity can ever lead this country anywhere but onto the ash heap of history.

"pay their fair share"

Do I need to break out an economics textbook, and start talking about marginal income, marginal propensity to consume, and how GDP is measured?

Meh. I have, at length debunked this bit as both misusing/misunderstanding economic theory and generally immoral.

Somewhere I swear I am going to simply store some bit about this, so that everytime someone who has drank too much GOP coolaid trots this tired lie out, I have a ready-made reposte. Anyhoo, off to work.

[xrayzebra]

"pay their fair share"

Do I need to break out an economics textbook, and start talking about marginal income, marginal propensity to consume, and how GDP is measured?

Meh. I have, at length debunked this bit as both misusing/misunderstanding economic theory and generally immoral.

Somewhere I swear I am going to simply store some bit about this, so that everytime someone who has drank too much GOP coolaid trots this tired lie out, I have a ready-made reposte. Anyhoo, off to work.

Oh great RG, why don't you share one more time your
great wealth of your economics textbook. Explain how
taxing the rich is the answer and at what point does a
person become rich. What yardstick do you use to measure this. Please, please share your WEALTH of knowledge.

[JoeChalupa]

Oh great RG, why don't you share one more time your
great wealth of your economics textbook. Explain how
taxing the rich is the answer and at what point does a
person become rich. What yardstick do you use to measure this. Please, please share your WEALTH of knowledge.

Many will be asking McCain the same question.

[Don Quixote]

Besides, I think we all agree that there is another candidate out there for whom the phrase "cult following" is a waaaaay more apt.

I'm curious. Whom?

(I mean, currently living and active. We know that conservatives have their icons, too, and rightly venerate Reagan, Goldwater, Bork, and Buckley. I've even seen the old-times say good things about Hoover.)

But please give examples of people fainting at the sight of Bush, writing songs to him, fantasizing about him.

[Don Quixote]

Sorry my rage is usually directly attributable to those of us around here who have no sense and display characteristics of high mental re ation. I know its not your fault you have downs syndrome. I'll lay off.

I think what our friend here is trying to say is, "you're stupid." I know, that's how 6-year-olds fight. I'll stop now.

But, the people here at ST would be happy to know that I have come around. For a few weeks, I wandered in the valley of indecision, wondering how the D-nomination was going to play out. While Clinton proved to be a formidable opponent, I would like to announce my support for Senator Barack Hussein Obama of Illinois.

I do apologize for ever having questioned the Holy One. And, as an act of contrition for offending his ardent supporters, I will display campaign posters for Saint Barack in my sig. I hope this convinces everyone of my sincerest apologies for my many, many transgressions.

-Don Quixote (& Rosinante)

[George Gervin's Afro]

I think what our friend here is trying to say is, "you're stupid." I know, that's how 6-year-olds fight. I'll stop now.

But, the people here at ST would be happy to know that I have come around. For a few weeks, I wandered in the valley of indecision, wondering how the D-nomination was going to play out. While Clinton proved to be a formidable opponent, I would like to announce my support for Senator Barack Hussein Obama of Illinois.

I do apologize for ever having questioned the Holy One. And, as an act of contrition for offending his ardent supporters, I will display campaign posters for Saint Barack in my sig. I hope this convinces everyone of my sincerest apologies for my many, many transgressions.

-Don Quixote (& Rosinante)

shame on you for not fainting.. there's still time !

[JoeChalupa]

The messiah?



The second coming?

[Don Quixote]

shame on you for not fainting.. there's still time !

I steadied myself just in time.

And, generally supporting Bush (or anybody) is not the same thing as sainting him.

[RandomGuy]

I'm curious. Whom?

(I mean, currently living and active. We know that conservatives have their icons, too, and rightly venerate Reagan, Goldwater, Bork, and Buckley. I've even seen the old-times say good things about Hoover.)

But please give examples of people fainting at the sight of Bush, writing songs to him, fantasizing about him.

The answer to your question, grasshopper, can be found in the thread les presently in the first page of this forum. (bows)

...or , on the spam-like amount of signage just about everywhere for a certain "revolution"

[Don Quixote]

Thank you, RandomDude, once again, for your nuggets of wisdom. How could I have overlooked them?

Ah yes, the Clintonistas. They are certainly a tenacious bunch.

Lately, though, I have found them endearing. Indeed, I even like them.

[RandomGuy]

Oh great RG, why don't you share one more time your
great wealth of your economics textbook. Explain how
taxing the rich is the answer and at what point does a
person become rich. What yardstick do you use to measure this. Please, please share your WEALTH of knowledge.

Dude, you know me well enough by now to know that I can do exactly that.

I will try to get sometime on this over the weekend. Heh, I have more than just *one* economics textbook (5 if memory serves, two from macro, two from micro, and one on international economics). I have kept about 85% of my textbooks during my college career and actually re-read them on rare occasions. They occupy a beloved place in our cramped apartment. My wife has been pressing me to get rid of them, as well as my sci-fi book collection for years...

[RandomGuy]

Thank you, RandomDude, once again, for your nuggets of wisdom. How could I have overlooked them?

Ah yes, the Clintonistas. They are certainly a tenacious bunch.

Lately, though, I have found them endearing. Indeed, I even like them.

No problem. For those who worry about the "obama cult" I would note that none of them have cornered an opposing candidate in the control room of a ferry shouting questions about 9-11 being an inside job yet...

[Don Quixote]

The Truthies are cute too. Yes, I would say they have some characteristics of a cult -- minus the strong charismatic leadership. On the other hand, maybe they have found their man in Ron Paul. And I feel bad for Ron Paul that they have latched onto him.