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    It became an issue when the Spurs did it. As you point out, they didn't invent it, nor have they used it as much as some other teams/coaches. But when the Spurs use it successfully, it becomes a problem.

    The inquest, and the recommendation to change the rules, has and will come from the Compe ion Committee. Which, not coincidentally, happens to be headed by Stu Jackson.

    He has a hard-on for the Spurs, and he's not afraid to use it
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    Remember that Bowen got suspended for NOT kicking the new prince Cris Paul?
    Remember that Mehmet Okur WAS NOT suspended for hitting Oberto in the face?
    You are right on cue on Stu, brother!

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    You guys just don't get it! It's not about Shaq, it's not about the "SPURS' . It is about a tactic that hurts the game! It's not basketball and it hurts the integrity of the league. It was amplified by being done on one of the NBA greatest stage, at a time when the Suns vs. Spurs match up was the featured and most anticipated match up in a very compe ive Western Conference. The hack a shaq turned that match up into a spectacle, a circus, a joke. It hurt the league not only on the court it also hurt the league in the pockets. The league MUST change the rules so that no other NBA team will ever be able to hurt the game like that again.

    It disgusted the long time NBA fans and it turned off the casual NBA fans who then found something else to do with their time. Excellent decision by the league to look into changing the rule, the Spurs left them no choice!
    So, Shaq is a $20 million dollar, lazy-fat-ass-kind of a joke for the league. Let's suspend Shaq!

    Or, we'll be a gracious winner. We'll lend Chip Engellan to teach Shaq how to shoot free throw. How about that?

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    Defensive three seconds. The charge circle. No hand checking. Now no Hack-a-Shaq?

    Might as well change the NBA Rule Book to the Stopping Those Cheating Spurs Book.

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    Defensive three seconds. The charge circle. No hand checking. Now no Hack-a-Shaq?

    Might as well change the NBA Rule Book to the Stopping Those Cheating Spurs Book.
    Well-put!

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    Defensive three seconds. The charge circle. No hand checking. Now no Hack-a-Shaq?

    Might as well change the NBA Rule Book to the Stopping Those Cheating Spurs Book.
    New Rule: No Left-Handed Argentinians.

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    New Rule: No Left-Handed Argentinians.
    No scoring in the paint if you're dating a TV star.

    The hack a shaq turned that match up into a spectacle, a circus, a joke.
    No, Shaq's free throw shooting did that.

    It disgusted the long time NBA fans and it turned off the casual NBA fans who then found something else to do with their time.
    Maybe people were disgusted by the fact that a player making nearly 750 times the average annual salary (more like 1200 times with endorsement deals) of an American middle class worker is unable to routinely hit a shot that said individual can either go into their driveway and sink with far more regularity or watch their 15 year old high school son better on a daily basis.

    Shaq is the an hesis to hard work. He's the perfect example of "I'm bigger and stronger than you, so that automatically means I should dominate the sport."

    Wow, you mean the public is turned off when they find out that he SUCKS AT BASKETBALL? Amazing.

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    You guys just don't get it! It's not about Shaq, it's not about the "SPURS' . It is about a tactic that hurts the game! It's not basketball and it hurts the integrity of the league. It was amplified by being done on one of the NBA greatest stage, at a time when the Suns vs. Spurs match up was the featured and most anticipated match up in a very compe ive Western Conference. The hack a shaq turned that match up into a spectacle, a circus, a joke. It hurt the league not only on the court it also hurt the league in the pockets. The league MUST change the rules so that no other NBA team will ever be able to hurt the game like that again.

    It disgusted the long time NBA fans and it turned off the casual NBA fans who then found something else to do with their time. Excellent decision by the league to look into changing the rule, the Spurs left them no choice!

    Good post. The rule must be changed. The spurs destroyed the flow of the game and made it a shaq free throw event and boring to most fans.

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    Defensive three seconds. The charge circle. No hand checking. Now no Hack-a-Shaq?

    Might as well change the NBA Rule Book to the Stopping Those Cheating Spurs Book.
    TimVP,

    It's funny that Boston and Cleveland play a 76-74 game in Game One and I doubt anyone at ESPN/ABC will call the Celtics boring.

    The double standard is amazing. The Spurs get this boring label and they will never be able to get rid of it. The Spurs win four championships and its almost like they have to apoligize how they did it. It gets really old.

    Stern wants the Spurs to go away, and its really sad that a team of pretty good guys and terrific ball players get painted in such a negative light in the national media.

    The Spurs don't get much love outside South Texas, that's for sure.

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    Good post. The rule must be changed. The spurs destroyed the flow of the game and made it a shaq free throw event and boring to most fans.
    How can Shaq shooting free throws be boring? If your there in person you have to pay attention at all time for fear of one of those bricks flying into the crowd and killing someone. It's like the fine print on the back of baseball tickets to watch for foul balls and broken bats. If your at home watching on TV you get to see everyone behind the basket petrified that they may be the next ones to go!

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    Good post. The rule must be changed. The spurs destroyed the flow of the game and made it a shaq free throw event and boring to most fans.
    No. O'Neal could have enough pride to learn to make free throws. Don't change the rules to benefit a player who is so bad at such a fundamenal skill. If he could shoot even 65% from the line, this would not be an issue.

    Don't blame the Spurs for being smart and resourceful, blame shaq for being lazy.

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    I don't agree with taking hack-a-shaq out of the game. I can understand why they would do it for aesthetic purposes, but it is endorsing a less fundamentally sound game, and I don't agree with any rule that does that.

    Players should pay the price for not working as hard as they should on aspects of their game that need improvement. The league should not reward them.

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    Defensive three seconds. The charge circle. No hand checking. Now no Hack-a-Shaq?

    Might as well change the NBA Rule Book to the Stopping Those Cheating Spurs Book.



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    How can Shaq shooting free throws be boring? If your there in person you have to pay attention at all time for fear of one of those bricks flying into the crowd and killing someone. It's like the fine print on the back of baseball tickets to watch for foul balls and broken bats. If your at home watching on TV you get to see everyone behind the basket petrified that they may be the next ones to go!


    I've been saying it for years. If Shaq can't make his free throws, he shouldn't be rewarded.

    One key to winning is to exploit your opposition's weakness. The hack-a-snaq is nothing more, nothing less. Exploiting a weakness. If you're playing against a team who's star is hobbled, are you not gonna run an iso on him and exploit that injury?

    The league and all these whiny fans need to shut the up and stop kissing Snaq's 4-foot wide ass. He's a dominant player because he's Oliver ing Miller with a little more skill.

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    Good post. The rule must be changed. The spurs destroyed the flow of the game and made it a shaq free throw event and boring to most fans.
    I get bored when teams intentionally walk a home run hitter in baseball, maybe you can about getting that rule changed too

    Or howabout when a guy can only dribble with one hand, so teams force him to go away from that hand defensively. We should outlaw that type of defense too, it focuses too much on said players' weakness (much like Snatch's FT shooting).

    Or in hockey when teams go four corners when they're down a man on a power play and try to kill the clock. Ban that.

    Or when football teams get up big and run the ball every play. Ban that, they should have to pass every play, it's more *exciting*.

    It ain't like Fat Ass has to go work a real job at any point since graduating college. He's always relied on being bigger and stronger to get by. You want to avoid embarrassments like the Phoenix series? Get his ass in the gym and make him practice.

    I could give a how the Spurs won, it's the playoffs. It's all about winning. If you want style points go be a ing Phoenix fan (err, NY probably now with D'Antoni going there).

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    Oh what the is this? Are we the first team in NBA Playoff history to have ever used this tactic?
    No, the first time it was used frequently, they banned it in the final 2 minutes.

    Now, it's on to hack-a-Chandler.


    When it was used by NC State in the tournament to beat Houston, they outlawed all off-the-ball fouls.

    When people started fouling in the NBA and NCAA before the ball was inbounded, the fouled team got a FT and possession (see: Barbosa's stupid foul on Parker in Game 1 of last year).

    Rules change all the time - I'm sure NO would have used it against Suns if Suns advanced... or if Shaq started shooting 80%

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    Defensive three seconds. The charge circle. No hand checking. Now no Hack-a-Shaq?

    Might as well change the NBA Rule Book to the Stopping Those Cheating Spurs Book.
    Well, no hand-checking had been a rule for a while... just the strict enforcement of it began around 2002.

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    how abou this. foul off the ball lets any player shot the foul shoot. allows you still to foul off the ball, but anyone can shoot ( ie the best shooter)

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    how abou this. foul off the ball lets any player shot the foul shoot. allows you still to foul off the ball, but anyone can shoot ( ie the best shooter)
    Howabout we leave the rules like they are instead of changing them for some fat ass who's only going to be in the league for one or two more years?

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    One proposal being considered:


    Addendum to the Official NBA Rule Book;

    1. Each team shall be en led to designate 1 player for each game as being "non-foulable", if not in possession of the ball.

    2. For identification purposes, a teams' designated player shall wear a yellow headband, yellow wristbands and yellow over-the-calf socks. A yellow choker may be subs uted for the headband.

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    Here is a question.

    If they go to the "If you intentionally foul away from the ball on a crappy free throw shooter they get a shot and the ball back" what do they doi when two players collide away from the ball?

    There are fouls away from the ball all the time. If they implemented that rule it would be an extra free throw and the ball? Bull .

    Only if its intentional you say? They cant even figure out that when Dirt and CP3 go flying 10 feet away in a spin from the most minute contact that they are flopping (Yes I know Gino does it too, Im aware) and call bull fouls, how are they going to determine if its 'intentional'?

    And finally, STFU already. This has been done since the early nineties, learn to shoot free throws or quit ing. Not the Spurs fault some people suck ass at free throws.

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    While I agree that it does disrupt the flow of the game, I think Jeff Van Gundy said it best: You don't initiate a rule for lack of skill.

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    One proposal being considered:


    Addendum to the Official NBA Rule Book;

    1. Each team shall be en led to designate 1 player for each game as being "non-foulable", if not in possession of the ball.

    2. For identification purposes, a teams' designated player shall wear a yellow headband, yellow wristbands and yellow over-the-calf socks. A yellow choker may be subs uted for the headband.

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    This hack-a-"insert player" is not a good thing for the game. It disrupts the follow of the game to say the least. I was surprised to hear spurs employed that technique a lot even when they were up. NBA should revise it. May be they should modify the penalty by giving the ball back on top of the free throws. The hacking team would be discouraged because it won't get the ball back immediately after the free throws.

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    This hack-a-"insert player" is not a good thing for the game. It disrupts the follow of the game to say the least. I was surprised to hear spurs employed that technique a lot even when they were up. NBA should revise it. May be they should modify the penalty by giving the ball back on top of the free throws. The hacking team would be discouraged because it won't get the ball back immediately after the free throws.
    Disrupting the flow of a team that REQUIRES that flow is the point.

    You notice that nifty little time out the coach calls when the opposing team is on a run? Well just think of it as a forced time out where a real ty free throw shooter gets a chance to score some points.

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    Disrupting the flow of a team that REQUIRES that flow is the point.

    You notice that nifty little time out the coach calls when the opposing team is on a run? Well just think of it as a forced time out where a real ty free throw shooter gets a chance to score some points.
    Tell me what you think is the ultimate goal of NBA.

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