For Rocket Fans Papaloukas Wants To Play In NBA

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Since no American fan heres believe me of what Theo can do I ask Greek friend on youtube who make videos for Spanouli to make video for Papaloukas to show what he can do. He is very good with make these videos and he record many games of such great Greek players. He make video and he sends to me it is just new video make for this board to shuts them up. I shows him topic here and he gets mad at same American bashings of greatest Greek players.

This is video he make

[eisfeld]

If Spanoulis is as bad as fans makes him to be why coach Giannakis and coach Obradovic make such statement? Coach Giannakis say he is best player of national team and Diamantidis and Papalouklas is on team.

Dude, you seriously need to stop. That's pathetic. You act like no NBA Team has quality scouts. They know how good those guys are in Europe but they also know that they have problems adjusting to the NBA. You seem to forget that playing in Europe is different to playing in the NBA. And there is no reason why some European players think they could demand more money than the number 1 draft pick gets in his first season. Look at the other foreign players who played in Europe and now play in the NBA. 1st: They needed time to adjust
2nd: they were willing to take pay cuts - Two things your precious Spanoulis was not keen on. His fault - he could have done better.

And on Papaloukas:
He is a very good player in Europe. I like his style, his courtvision and work ethic but - he is too slow to play in the NBA. If he really wants to play there - he should sign for a minimum contract to see if he can make the adjustment.

and btw... I still think that Marc Gasol is the best player in Europe - not V-Span

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

Dude, you seriously need to stop. That's pathetic. You act like no NBA Team has quality scouts. They know how good those guys are in Europe but they also know that they have problems adjusting to the NBA. You seem to forget that playing in Europe is different to playing in the NBA. And there is no reason why some European players think they could demand more money than the number 1 draft pick gets in his first season. Look at the other foreign players who played in Europe and now play in the NBA. 1st: They needed time to adjust
2nd: they were willing to take pay cuts - Two things your precious Spanoulis was not keen on. His fault - he could have done better.

And on Papaloukas:
He is a very good player in Europe. I like his style, his courtvision and work ethic but - he is too slow to play in the NBA. If he really wants to play there - he should sign for a minimum contract to see if he can make the adjustment.

and btw... I still think that Marc Gasol is the best player in Europe - not V-Span

Americans act like Greece and US game never happen in 2006. After Olympics we will see if this same arrogant ideas about Greek players exist. If these greatest of Greek players is so poor then what must be wrong with American players that they cannot even beat team of such poor players.

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Americans act like Greece and US game never happen in 2006. After Olympics we will see if this same arrogant ideas about Greek players exist. If these greatest of Greek players is so poor then what must be wrong with American players that they cannot even beat team of such poor players.

See... this is the problem. You know why you rub people the wrong way here? Its not because people don't like Spanoulis. Its the fact that you have such an overwhelmingly obvious bias towards your Greek players that no one will take your opinion seriously after reading just one of your posts. You pimp Greek players, mainly just because they are Greek, and you get pissed off when people don't agree that V-Span is the greatest since sliced bread...

Seriously, quit trying to shove Greek players down everybody's throat for a while, and people might come around to your way of thinking. Specially if this guy is as good as you say. Otherwise you're only making it worse.

[eisfeld]

Americans act like Greece and US game never happen in 2006. After Olympics we will see if this same arrogant ideas about Greek players exist. If these greatest of Greek players is so poor then what must be wrong with American players that they cannot even beat team of such poor players.

You also do remember that the Rules at the Olympics are different from the NBA rules. Check out this quote:

"I think this is the NBA, one against five," Papaloukas said. "It's different rules" in the worlds.

Second fact is that you said you almost beat spain in their country - first of all i do not consider 70 - 47 eligible for "We almost beat Spain", secondly Gasol was missing. And I have to give Manumaniac right - you act like everyone is a bag except for your beloved players. You can't cope with the fact that it is not only the NBA coaches who screwed up, it's the players as well. V-Span couldn't succeed under Adelman and was traded to the Spurs where he failed to impress the coaching staff and demanded too much money. Same with Papaloukas, if he turned down full MLE offers from three teams it's his own fault he isn't playing in the NBA. Hey may get a chance if he is willing to sign with a team for less than the full MLE. But I doubt it.

Don't forget that every player has to make the transition from Euroleague to the NBA and the other way round. You player failed - get over it. He might get a second chance and I hope so because he has talent but he has to accept whatever the teams are willing to pay. It's ridiculous to think that V-Span or Papaloukas are worth more e.g. Devin Harris, Andre Iguodala, Ben Gordon, Luol Deng etc... they are yound players who had to earn a reputation to be able to sign a contract extension worth more than the MLE and V-Span does not have such a reputation. Neither has Papaloukas. They should play for the Minimum or 1,4 at max for 1-2 years and then if they have proven they are worth it sign them for more.

[endrity]

Ok, Kill_bill_pana, let me take this one:

"You obviously just like other stupid amerikkan fan not knows basketball. Spanoulis not only best player in Europe by far, he also best in nba if van gundy not him up."


So, how did I do?

Post of the day

KBP is reaching SpursDynasty level really quickly.

The thing about is we know SD does most of his things just to stirr people up, KBP really believes his stuff.

[Mr.Bottomtooth]

Americans act like Greece and US game never happen in 2006. After Olympics we will see if this same arrogant ideas about Greek players exist. If these greatest of Greek players is so poor then what must be wrong with American players that they cannot even beat team of such poor players.

Yea, we don't really care.

[TDMVPDPOY]

Americans have no idea how good best Greek players are.

you forgot green text font = sarcasm

[Kill_Bill_Pana]

You also do remember that the Rules at the Olympics are different from the NBA rules. Check out this quote:


Second fact is that you said you almost beat spain in their country - first of all i do not consider 70 - 47 eligible for "We almost beat Spain", secondly Gasol was missing. And I have to give Manumaniac right - you act like everyone is a bag except for your beloved players. You can't cope with the fact that it is not only the NBA coaches who screwed up, it's the players as well. V-Span couldn't succeed under Adelman and was traded to the Spurs where he failed to impress the coaching staff and demanded too much money. Same with Papaloukas, if he turned down full MLE offers from three teams it's his own fault he isn't playing in the NBA. Hey may get a chance if he is willing to sign with a team for less than the full MLE. But I doubt it.

Don't forget that every player has to make the transition from Euroleague to the NBA and the other way round. You player failed - get over it. He might get a second chance and I hope so because he has talent but he has to accept whatever the teams are willing to pay. It's ridiculous to think that V-Span or Papaloukas are worth more e.g. Devin Harris, Andre Iguodala, Ben Gordon, Luol Deng etc... they are yound players who had to earn a reputation to be able to sign a contract extension worth more than the MLE and V-Span does not have such a reputation. Neither has Papaloukas. They should play for the Minimum or 1,4 at max for 1-2 years and then if they have proven they are worth it sign them for more.

Greece beat US at 2006 WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP not Olympics. Spain beat Greece without two of Greece starters on Spain home floor 82-77 in 2007 EUROPEAN CHAMPIONSHIPS. Gasol played game in 2007 Euro championship and Greece do not have Fotsis and Sofo and Spanoulis almost beat them even without two starters by himself. You keep make excuse for why US lose game to Greece but in past American players NEVER have these problems before only these excuse come when they lose Argentina and Greece.

You know nothing about international basketball.

Spanoulis did NOT play for Adelman.

[Indazone]

Greece beat US at 2006 WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP not Olympics. Spain beat Greece without two of Greece starters on Spain home floor 82-77 in 2007 EUROPEAN CHAMPIONSHIPS. Gasol played game in 2007 Euro championship and Greece do not have Fotsis and Sofo and Spanoulis almost beat them even without two starters by himself. You keep make excuse for why US lose game to Greece but in past American players NEVER have these problems before only these excuse come when they lose Argentina and Greece.

You know nothing about international basketball.

Spanoulis did NOT play for Adelman.

So Bill, What's your prediction for the Suns if they hire Van Gundy as coach?

[eisfeld]

Greece beat US at 2006 WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP not Olympics. Spain beat Greece without two of Greece starters on Spain home floor 82-77 in 2007 EUROPEAN CHAMPIONSHIPS. Gasol played game in 2007 Euro championship and Greece do not have Fotsis and Sofo and Spanoulis almost beat them even without two starters by himself. You keep make excuse for why US lose game to Greece but in past American players NEVER have these problems before only these excuse come when they lose Argentina and Greece.

I was talking about 2006 Spain - Greece where Spain played without Gasol.
Secondly, I never searched for an excuse when Greece beat the US. That was a nice accomplishment. The Adelman part is true - my bad and sorry for that. But it doesn't change the meaning of my post. You just have to consider the fact that International team basketball is different to the NBA. There are teams in Europe who can beat NBA teams and the other way round. It's the adjustment the teams have to make - if greece would play the USA in a game which is played with NBA rules, your country would be a tough matchup but I still think the US would end up winning the game. The other way round - in a game with International rules Greece may have the upside. People seem to believe that there is no difference between playing International basketball and NBA basketball - but the transition is difficult for any team. That's why euro players only succeed in the NBA when they are able to make that transition - and that's why not all NBA players playing in Europe succeed. It's like comparing the fast paced NHL hockey to European hockey. Same sport - different game.

My point is that you seem biased towards your players because they are successful in Europe. And believe me, a player who has talent and is willing to make the transition will be good in the NBA. Or at least quality material like Gabarjosa. V-Span has talent but failed - if he get's another chance I hope he succeeds because I like his style. But first he has to earn a spot on a team and he has to earn playing time.
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[Pero]

and btw... I still think that Marc Gasol is the best player in Europe - not V-Span

With this statement you just invalidated everything you have ever said about basketball.

[Pero]

Greece beat US at 2006 WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP not Olympics.

And Spain beat Greece at that same championship.

[Pero]

See... this is the problem. You know why you rub people the wrong way here? Its not because people don't like Spanoulis. Its the fact that you have such an overwhelmingly obvious bias towards your Greek players that no one will take your opinion seriously after reading just one of your posts. You pimp Greek players, mainly just because they are Greek, and you get pissed off when people don't agree that V-Span is the greatest since sliced bread...

Seriously, quit trying to shove Greek players down everybody's throat for a while, and people might come around to your way of thinking. Specially if this guy is as good as you say. Otherwise you're only making it worse.

Exactly.

[endrity]

Eisfeld,

you're arguing with a wall. A lot of people have tried talking some sense to him before, but he never gets it. He lives in his little bubble.

[Indazone]

I wouldn't mind giving Spanoulis another chance. With Adleman he'd get playing time. Morey didn't really want to let him go but since his sights were set on going home anyways, this trade was to the Spurs to get Scola which directly addressed a need of the Rockets at Power Forward.

The Spurs at the time also knew what they were buying. Perhaps they could talke Spanoulis into staying but barring that and he went home anyways, they would save a ton of money because they wouldn't have to pay his contract and it would come off the books.

Morey always said that he thought Spanoulis could develop into a good NBA point guard and help out the Rockets. Another year and Spanoulis under Adleman could have been something. If only he had been more patient and given the new incoming coach a chance or if he had given Popovich a chance, he might now be in the Spurs rotation. Certainly he is better than mighty mouse Damon Stoudamire. He would have been backing up Ginobili and Parker which isn't a bad place to be. Vaughn would have gotten far less minutes but that's not to be.

Thank you for Scola anyways

[armand0]

(irrelevent to topic) papaloukas would be great for orlando

[eisfeld]

Eisfeld,

you're arguing with a wall. A lot of people have tried talking some sense to him before, but he never gets it. He lives in his little bubble.

Pretty accurate

[endrity]

(irrelevent to topic) papaloukas would be great for orlando

I think he would be great for the Nuggets to be honest.

First it gives them the big, really big in his case, PG to pair up with Iverson in the backcourt.

He plays in a system where not much defense is required out of him.

The Nuggs are already pretty good at running the fastbreak without him, so his lack of speed won't be an issue here.

And most importantly he gives them a very smart guy in the halfcourt, which they seriously need.

[endrity]

Pretty accurate

By the way I agree with most of what you have said, I salute your for your knowledge of the international game. There are a couple of posters here that really amaze me with how well the follow Fiba tournaments, and Euroleague as well.

[eisfeld]

By the way I agree with most of what you have said, I salute your for your knowledge of the international game. There are a couple of posters here that really amaze me with how well the follow Fiba tournaments, and Euroleague as well.

Thanks Its pretty easy to explain - I live in Europe and Euroleague and FIBA tournaments are the only games I can watch before 4 a.m.
I do not consider my knowledge of International basketball as good. I just watch the occasional game and follow several players. Its just that the biggest difference is the pace of the game and a slight variety of rules compared to the NBA which makes the game so different from NBA basketball. European players have proven that they can make the transition to NBA basketball but the majority fails despite of being very talented. Being a star in Europe does not mean that one is automatically a star in the NBA. Take Sarunas Jasikevicius for example, he had the talent to play in the NBA but he failed because of money issues and off the court issues (e.g. not willing to learn english) - I think those players should not play in the NBA anymore. V-Span is different - he is talented but he had bad luck with van gundy and popovich but he also demanded too much money. If he gets another chance I'll be happy for him but he still has to prove he is worth playing in the NBA.

Regarding Papaloukas it's different - the guy has the game to play here but he's not getting younger. It's a now or never situation. His lack of speed is a disadvantage but I can see him succeed on a team which plays slow-paced basketball. As someone pointed out, Orlando would be a good fit for him, but I can as well see him on a team with deadly shooters from beyond the arc because of his pretty good passing ability. He turned down several offers last year and I think therefore his value in the NBA dropped. I'm not sure a team is willing to pay him the Full MLE over 2 years as the Heat offered. I believe he signs a contract worth half the MLE this off-season or he stays in Europe like Javtokas.

[DaDakota]

I wouldn't mind giving Spanoulis another chance. With Adleman he'd get playing time. Morey didn't really want to let him go but since his sights were set on going home anyways, this trade was to the Spurs to get Scola which directly addressed a need of the Rockets at Power Forward.

The Spurs at the time also knew what they were buying. Perhaps they could talke Spanoulis into staying but barring that and he went home anyways, they would save a ton of money because they wouldn't have to pay his contract and it would come off the books.

Morey always said that he thought Spanoulis could develop into a good NBA point guard and help out the Rockets. Another year and Spanoulis under Adleman could have been something. If only he had been more patient and given the new incoming coach a chance or if he had given Popovich a chance, he might now be in the Spurs rotation. Certainly he is better than mighty mouse Damon Stoudamire. He would have been backing up Ginobili and Parker which isn't a bad place to be. Vaughn would have gotten far less minutes but that's not to be.

Thank you for Scola anyways

Exactly !

V-Span would be the starting PG on the Rockets RIGHT now....if he came back.

Rafer Alston is garbage, and if Kill Bill really wants to come back and take a whiz in JVG's lunch box, the door is open for him in Houston.

All I care about is the team getting better, and V-Span would be a free addition that makes the Rockets better.

SIGN ME UP !!

Kill Bill,

Since Billy will be a complete free agent do you think he is considering a return to the NBA? I know a lot of teams would be very interested in him.

DD

[Kobayagi]

Take Sarunas Jasikevicius for example, he had the talent to play in the NBA but he failed because of money issues and off the court issues (e.g. not willing to learn english)

You got source for this? Before Sarunas became a major european basketball star he played in my country for Union Olimpija and if I'm not crazy I remember him speaking almost perfect english with american accent. Didn't he play college ball in the states as well? Or at least high school?

[DaDakota]

You got source for this? Before Sarunas became a major european basketball star he played in my country for Union Olimpija and if I'm not crazy I remember him speaking almost perfect english with american accent. Didn't he play college ball in the states as well? Or at least high school?

He speaks English very well, and played at the university of Maryland....

He did fall into a bad situation in the NBA, and might have thrived elsewhere, but the English bit is pure hogwash.

DD

[DOMINATOR]

the guy is good because look who he is playing against... scrubs. some college players could go over there and dominate.
this guy being compared to T-Mac is a joke.