I was listening to Kenny 'The JET' Smith the other day, and he brought up an interesting point: Garnett must be the only superstar out there that can't put a 40+ point game. He's a guy that just can't take over and dominate.
I think it's a valid point. So what do y'all think? KG, Superstar or very talented role player?
A superstar, i don't get all the spurs hate kg is getting, he's willing to slip back in a role on a team with 3 star players, there's no gurantee that celtics will make it to the finals, neither are the spurs, little bit premature for trash talking and fear of the supposedly stern pet team.
KG is a superstar whose forte is not scoring, though he can score effectively for the most part. He is also a flaming sack of ass lips.So what do y'all think? KG, Superstar or very talented role player?
Here's a question: would KG have taken any of those T'Wolves teams to the Finals had they been in the East? If the answer is yes, than he's a superstar. If no, he's not.
Who's trash talking? Kenny Smith? I thought he raised a valid point, and wanted to know other people's opnion.
I personally don't like the Celts much, but it's mostly because all the attention they've been gettng throughout the season.
Im sure KG is a great guy off the court blah blah, that doesn't mean that his chest-beating and cursing on the court while playing like a scared during crunchtime doesn't get on people's nerves.
That said, I'd say he is a superstar, whatever that means.
32 points, 21 boards, 5 blocks against the Kings in Game 7 of the '04 WCSF. I'm not KG's biggest fan, but that's a superstar's line in a close-out game.
this is the only stat record KGFANs love to bring up in arguments...give us something new
He's super-talented. The most talented big man to ever play the game outside of either Hakeem or DRob IMO. Problem is he has the basketball IQ of a third grader, and in the 4th quarter that terrible IQ drops to even lower levels. When he's aggressive and uses his speed/athleticism, he's a very tough guy to gaurd unless you have a Tim Duncan or Rasheed Wallace on him. However, when he simply relies on his inconsistent outside shot then you see what happened in game 4 tonight and what has happened throughout most 4th quarters.
With that said, he's a superstar, but not as great a scorer like Dirk or Tim. Those guys have multiple moves that they can pull out and are very tough to read. KG has basically one move, a turnaround fadeaway after a shoulder fake.
I'm just playing devil's advocate.
I'll play it from the other side: KG never got the T'Wolves past a physically superior team in the playoffs. The mark of a superstar is to get your team to overachieve and he never did that.
Well it's not like the NBA's ever rolled out the red carpet and waived the rules for KG like the have for Le .
KG is a better fit to be a second fiddle or even the third option on offense and just getting rebounds and playing great defense. For all of his intensity, he doesn't have the make-up of a franchise go-to player. He's a great complimentary player. He could be the ultimate role player. And, I'm sure KG would be fine with that if it meant a championship.
Bill Russell was a role player.
Tim Duncan is more talented than Garnett.. Garnett has two post move..
Turn around jumper into the lane and a baseline turnaround jumper..
One of Tim Duncan's spin moves oozes more talent than Garnett has in his entire body.
I'd rather have Udonis Haslem on my team than Garnett.
KG's offensive game is quite limited when compared to Hakeem and/or Duncan. He's got no go to, signature shot.
But either did the Admiral for that matter.
But please, comparisons to Hakeem? Laughable. Hakeem could show more moves in one offensive possession than KG can demonstrate in his entire career.
KG's a nice stat player. A good complementary player perhaps, if he were to play on a team with a real leader. The bad news for Celtics fans is that the best leader they've got on that team is the 97 year old Sam Cassell.
Yes!!!!
When will people realize that beyond him being tagged as one of the most "versatile" big men in the game KG is very limited offensively. And in this game a superstar has got to be able to take over a game offensively. He has no strength at all to dominate in the post, and his jumper is not that great to be a good outside shooter like Dirk, or like West is slowly developing. His range also is very limited as well.
It's not an IQ issue, it's not a heart issue, it's the simple fact that in the 4th quarter when team will play their best defense on you, his flaws get heavily exposed.
Beside that Game 7 against the Kings, he has nothing else to show for. And let's be realistic, it was a game 7 in the second round, against a team that was collapsing from within since Webber came back from surgery. And he was being defended by Brad Miller, and the knee-less Webber. Not exactly the greatest of achievements.
But he is the golden boy to the media, because he screams and yells and 'shows passion'. BS!!!! Give me a hard worker any day, who will actually work on his game rather than talk about it.
KG has skills and heart. But he can't stop acting like a on court. In order to win games u gotta play ur heart out but also keep ur composure. U saw him trying to shove LB when he got dunked on? The guy could ve broken his back if it wasnt for his force..
I doubt he has superstar skills.
I too wondered how no foul was called on that play. It was pretty obvious. Golden boy??
athleticism, yes. but not skills that would qualify as "superstar" skills. but he is a superstar. overrated but still a superstar.
KG has long been criticized for being too unselfish, and I think that's where it comes from - he is constantly trying to get his teammates involved so he is often reticent to take the big shot. He'll always look for the open man first. Unfortunately, sometimes his teams need him to take the big shot.
Part of it also comes from being a jump shooter as much as a post player, so he doesn't instinctively think to drive in and force a layup or get a foul. Sometimes he does, but TD ALWAYS does, because he's less of a jump shooter. In that way TD is more of a C/PF than a PF/SF, whereas KG is closer to the kind of PF Dirk plays.
They had that interview with the Celtics' big 3 a couple months ago, and they asked all 3 of them who they wanted to take the big shot at the end of a game. KG and PP both said Ray Allen, and Ray Allen said "whoever's open." I thought that was very telling.
If we asked the same question of our big 3, I wonder who they would say? I suspect they might say Manu, but they might say Tim.
Where did i ever write something about superstar skills?? He's a good player and a good defender, but i too think he's overrated.
but Dirk isn't afraid to take the big shot. KG has been known to pass on them.
also....
manu clearly trusts tim to take the big shot (and horry too for that matter).
KG took two shots in the 4th last night and didn't score a single point.
For as much as Dirk has taken for actually TAKING and missing big shots in the fourth. . . . I'd take him any day over KG.
Why?
Because knowing that you might fail and still accepting the challenge is the first step towards succeeding. After his 12 years in the NBA, it seems like KG has yet to even take that step.
Talented role player, as I have been saying for a while now. The dude is no superstar. He cannot take over games. He is the perfect "garbage" player, possibly the best ever at playing that type of role. But he is not on the level of the most elite PF's like Duncan and Dirk. IMO, there is those two, then everyone else. No one is on their level though.
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