KG, the role player?

[ElNono]

Talented role player, as I have been saying for a while now. The dude is no superstar. He cannot take over games. He is the perfect "garbage" player, possibly the best ever at playing that type of role. But he is not on the level of the most elite PF's like Duncan and Dirk. IMO, there is those two, then everyone else. No one is on their level though.

I think that when he really wants to, Rasheed is up there with those two you mentioned. Especially defensively.

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He's super-talented. The most talented big man to ever play the game outside of either Hakeem or DRob IMO.

Are you serious?

First off... what talents does he have? His offense is almost completely reliant on put-backs. The ONLY offensive move he has is a 15 foot turnaround. He cannot post people up hardly any better than Dirk can. He relies completely on his jumpshot to create offense, but he's not NEAR as good of a shooter as Dirk. He doesn't have NEAR the post game or defensive prowess that Duncan has. He is a garbage player, and a damn good one at that, but you cannot rely on him to carry a team. He is not skilled enough. And I strongly feel that Garnett's defense is massively overrated because all he does is a bunch of weakside shotblocking and fouling, but consistently gets his ass handed to him with EASE by Dirk, Duncan, Amare, Rasheed, etc... and the "unstoppable" bull doesnt work, because ive seen far lesser players have much more effect defensively on these guys than KG ever has. He is a solid team defender, but one-on-one, he is nothing special whatsoever.

Second, the fact that you put him as more talented than big men such as Duncan, Dirk, or Rasheed is bizzare enough... but have you forgotten about Kareem Abdul-Jabbar? You must be joking...

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I think that when he really wants to, Rasheed is up there with those two you mentioned. Especially defensively.

I absolutely agree with that. But on a consistent basis, Duncan and Dirk are the class of the league. But I have always felt that Rasheed is the most talented PF, and possibly big man period, that the league has ever seen. He basically has a mixture of the post-up and defensive abilities/IQ of Duncan, and Dirk's offensive creativity/shooting. He just didn't have the will to be the number 1 guy ever. If he had a will like Jordan, I feel he could very possibly have finished his career as being one of the greatest ever, up there with Jordan, Bird, and Magic.

[TDfan2007]

Are you serious?

First off... what talents does he have? His offense is almost completely reliant on put-backs. The ONLY offensive move he has is a 15 foot turnaround. He cannot post people up hardly any better than Dirk can. He relies completely on his jumpshot to create offense, but he's not NEAR as good of a shooter as Dirk. He doesn't have NEAR the post game or defensive prowess that Duncan has. He is a garbage player, and a damn good one at that, but you cannot rely on him to carry a team. He is not skilled enough. And I strongly feel that Garnett's defense is massively overrated because all he does is a bunch of weakside shotblocking and fouling, but consistently gets his ass handed to him with EASE by Dirk, Duncan, Amare, Rasheed, etc... and the "unstoppable" bull doesnt work, because ive seen far lesser players have much more effect defensively on these guys than KG ever has. He is a solid team defender, but one-on-one, he is nothing special whatsoever.

Second, the fact that you put him as more talented than big men such as Duncan, Dirk, or Rasheed is bizzare enough... but have you forgotten about Kareem Abdul-Jabbar? You must be joking...

I should have used my words more carefully. I meant talented in terms of gifted athletically. I agree with everything you said though. But if one were to look at KG, with his size, speed, and athleticism, the fact that he doesn't constantly take over games and drop close to 30 on teams is amazing. He's been blessed with more than Kareem, Tim, or other great bigs could even dream of and yet he's basically pissed it away.

Like I said, it has a lot to do with basketball IQ.

[TDfan2007]

I absolutely agree with that. But on a consistent basis, Duncan and Dirk are the class of the league. But I have always felt that Rasheed is the most talented PF, and possibly big man period, that the league has ever seen. He basically has a mixture of the post-up and defensive abilities/IQ of Duncan, and Dirk's offensive creativity/shooting. He just didn't have the will to be the number 1 guy ever. If he had a will like Jordan, I feel he could very possibly have finished his career as being one of the greatest ever, up there with Jordan, Bird, and Magic.

Not really...Rasheed pretty much does what KG does in the post...shoot turnarounds. That's about all I've ever seen him do down there. I will say that he's on par with Tim defensively along with possesing a deceptively effective outside shot. But to say that he'd be an all-time great if he had more will is pretty baseless.

[endrity]

Not really...Rasheed pretty much does what KG does in the post...shoot turnarounds. That's about all I've ever seen him do down there. I will say that he's on par with Tim defensively along with possesing a deceptively effective outside shot. But to say that he'd be an all-time great if he had more will is pretty baseless.

I am with you on this. I think for example Sheed is not very fluid at the hips like Dirk, and not very strong like Duncan. He is also not a great ballhandler, and I think his footwork is not great, which forbids him from being a totally dominant player because he can't be very creative or retain posession for too long.

But Sheed could be more than what he is, and that is why we will always be left thinking what could have been with him.

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I should have used my words more carefully. I meant talented in terms of gifted athletically. I agree with everything you said though. But if one were to look at KG, with his size, speed, and athleticism, the fact that he doesn't constantly take over games and drop close to 30 on teams is amazing. He's been blessed with more than Kareem, Tim, or other great bigs could even dream of and yet he's basically pissed it away.

Like I said, it has a lot to do with basketball IQ.

Size, speed, and athleticism?

Not even comparable to Amare and Dwight Howard. And those are just two guys that came off the top of my head. I'm sure I can name plenty more who are more gifted in those areas as well.

I'm not trying to be a or anything, but I think people had gotten the wrong idea about KG because of the media's love affair for the guy, and don't really watch closely as to what he is really capable of, which is being an extremely intense garbage player, and nothing more. I'd say he should be the idol of guys like Ryan Bowen and Mark Madsen... people who aren't incredibly talented but find their way into the league by "garbage" play. He is the golden boy for those kinds of players. A star version of Charles Oakley you could almost say.

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Not really...Rasheed pretty much does what KG does in the post...shoot turnarounds. That's about all I've ever seen him do down there. I will say that he's on par with Tim defensively along with possesing a deceptively effective outside shot. But to say that he'd be an all-time great if he had more will is pretty baseless.

I never said he was as good as guys like Dirk or Duncan. Just he had the talent to be a great. Unfortunately he didn't have the will or determination to be that great. He would have rather been a role player, which still worked out fine for him, consider he has a ring, and many other great, great players don't. If he worked as hard and cared as much about being great as Duncan and Dirk has through their careers, there isn't a doubt in my mind he would be superior to them.

Either way, that is simply my opinion, so it doesn't need to have a whole lot a base. It's just what I see in the guy.

[greensborohill]

I should have used my words more carefully. I meant talented in terms of gifted athletically. I agree with everything you said though. But if one were to look at KG, with his size, speed, and athleticism, the fact that he doesn't constantly take over games and drop close to 30 on teams is amazing. He's been blessed with more than Kareem, Tim, or other great bigs could even dream of and yet he's basically pissed it away.

Like I said, it has a lot to do with basketball IQ.

That has nothing to do with basketball IQ and everything to do with a lack of desire and heart.

It's one thing to take and miss 4th quarter shots, it's another thing to not take any. He doesn't want it as bad as others. It a shame that he wastes all his physical gifts by coming up so small all the time.

[xtremesteven33]

haha...bill russell said share one of his rings with garnett if he doesnt win any...HAHAHA

[greensborohill]

haha...bill russell said share one of his rings with garnett if he doesnt win any...HAHAHA

I don't know if it came off this way. . but that's a slap in the face.

[SRJ]

haha...bill russell said share one of his rings with garnett if he doesnt win any...HAHAHA

How's that going to work? Is Garnett going to get a 1963 championship ring from the club? When they have a night in the Garden celebrating the Bill Russell dynasty, will Garnett be there among a bunch of guys who are 40 years older than he is? Are they going to Photoshop him into an old team photo?

[jmard5]

overrated.

[nkdlunch]

I wonder at what point will KG pull out his AK47, Uzi and rocketlaunchers speech??

[gmartin02]

He's super-talented. The most talented big man to ever play the game outside of either Hakeem or DRob IMO.

Gimme a break - very talented, yes, but most talented big man other than Hakeem or DRob? No (Actually DRob is not in the top two of talented big men either - how about Kareem, Bill Russell, Moses Malone?)

I guess this brings up the question of what is "talented"?

Definition from Dictionary.com "having talent or special ability; gifted"

I rate KG as kind of "Lamar Odom 2.0"

[SRJ]

how about Kareem, Bill Russell, Moses Malone?

Kareem was slowish without a great jumper. Russell was not a scorer. Moses was not an outstanding defensive player.

When I think of basketball talent, I think of the following aspects of the game:

Inside scoring
Outside scoring
Passing
Rebounding
Man defense
Help defense
Athleticism
Ball handling

In terms of basketball talent, KG rates highly at most of these IMO. So I don't mind people saying he's as gifted as it gets. His inside scoring isn't great, but it's not bad.

[Holmes_Fans]

He's super-talented. The most talented big man to ever play the game outside of either Hakeem or DRob IMO. Problem is he has the basketball IQ of a third grader, and in the 4th quarter that terrible IQ drops to even lower levels. When he's aggressive and uses his speed/athleticism, he's a very tough guy to gaurd unless you have a Tim Duncan or Rasheed Wallace on him. However, when he simply relies on his inconsistent outside shot then you see what happened in game 4 tonight and what has happened throughout most 4th quarters.

So he is a taller, more expensive Josh Howard

[KidCongo]

KG is just a glorified allstar; just like so many other allstars in this league. The term superstar is thrown around too loosely in this league. Infact, there are just a couple in my opinion.

In my opinion, the criterior for a superstar is a player that can elevate his game above everyone elses game during crutial moments of the game throughout his entire career, until he gets old of course. As of right now, there are only 3superstars in the NBA,
Duncan
Kobe
LeBron

There are times when I dont even notice that KG is on the floor. There were also times that I didnt realize that he was even still in the league... like the last three years!!!

[ctown916]

KG is just a glorified allstar; just like so many other allstars in this league. The term superstar is thrown around too loosely in this league. Infact, there are just a couple in my opinion.

In my opinion, the criterior for a superstar is a player that can elevate his game above everyone elses game during crutial moments of the game throughout his entire career, until he gets old of course. As of right now, there are only 3superstars in the NBA,
Duncan
Kobe
Iverson

There are times when I dont even notice that KG is on the floor. There were also times that I didnt realize that he was even still in the league... like the last three years!!!

IVERSON? Are you serious? YOu must be an AI stan becuase Iversone is not a Superstar. He used to be and is still a great player but come on. Kobe, Lebron, Duncan, Paul. Those are superstars. Which is why all 4 of their teams are still in the hunt for the le.